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welcome to unraveling the secrets where

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we explore the connecting links between

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the pernicious deeds of the group of

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secret society outlaws

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who are creating a tightly controlled

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world society with them as bosses and

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as slaves to their system popularly

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known as the new world order

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research indicates that most of the

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unexplained craft we see in our skies

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planet this led to research of the

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hollywood

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subterranean theories in the 1980s and

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in turn led to the realization that the

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answers we seek are in the control of a

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number of elitist groups and secret

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societies that we call collectively

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the controllers even a quick look at

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controller's plan is working very well

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it is these things we explore on this

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as we work towards unraveling the

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greetings once again and welcome to

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the secrets at a new time with fabulous

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the universe this is timothy green

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ufo on the manhattan side of the hudson

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happy valentine's day carla

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hello happy valentine's day tim well

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there we are

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yeah uh did you do anything special on

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oh i worked today then i had some dinner

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well i'm glad we're all around the

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and down in miami very chic miami

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we have the custodian of the airways the

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angel espino ceo of the psn

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radio network and i feel like singing

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a chorus of moon over miami shine on

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my love and me so we can stroll

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angel welcome thank you sir

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to be on again mr ufo and carla yeah

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and uh we have one heck of a show

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uh first be talking um

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how her work differs from that of the

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bud hopkins and here's some of her case

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we're back here on unraveling these

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that she exactly does laurie mcdonald

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institute now why don't you give us a

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they're basically a consciousness

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or an energetic entity because the

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contactees that report having

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interaction with them

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report them as having a

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specific color silhouette

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not features so much just a silhouette

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so so can i just ask questions

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absolutely

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so um so these 25 people are so they get

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that come together uh in your meetings

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uh they they

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have been abducted or they're or they're

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contactees or abductees

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yeah they're 25 to come together and

302
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they're trying to they're trying to

303
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get a deeper meaning like they're trying

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to not be so freaked out

305
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because they've been abducted and try to

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understand what is it that

307
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because are they getting contacted over

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and over again

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right within the different categories of

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contact

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you see some have two to five

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experiences

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uh some are channelers who have an

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extraterrestrial speak

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through them others are victims of the

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abduction phenomena and other people

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have very

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pleasant uh interaction where they feel

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either a mission or some type of

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agenda-oriented

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where they're collecting information and

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interacting uh

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with the extraterrestrial saying that

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they believe

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they have an agreement to do so on some

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type of a

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soul level that they would have they i'm

328
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sure that it affected the way they feel

329
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about their religious beliefs too

330
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i would think right i mean depending on

331
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the person's belief system

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uh the filter that they see things

333
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through will be religious if they were

334
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raised that way

335
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or more spiritual um but still

336
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even religion has a number

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of references to extraterrestrials or

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craft

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i would think they would lose their

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religion really if they saw something

341
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like this

342
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i mean i does it you know it makes

343
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question it absolutely and this is where

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our reality and our consciousness begins

345
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to change and expand

346
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we must question what's happening

347
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and how it affects us and where our past

348
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what our past really means

349
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i mean and then all of the big

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philosophical questions you know

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start to rise into your consciousness

352
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such as you know

353
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what are we why are we here so on and so

354
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forth they're very big ones

355
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and what's the government doing that

356
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that that that

357
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we're going through this all by

358
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ourselves too what's going on there

359
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you know i heard speaking earlier you

360
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know the fact is that what's currently

361
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reported

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in the abduction phenomena is 280

363
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million people

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have reported that worldwide that's

365
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based on a 4

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value system that number is i believe

367
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quite low because even in the group that

368
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i run i say there's

369
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over 70 members i can only see 20 or 25

370
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at a time in a support group otherwise

371
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it's just too many to handle

372
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nobody gets a fair chance to speak but

373
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i asked several times how many here

374
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reported their experience and i think

375
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out of 70 i had two people

376
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well who would you report it to outside

377
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of you or hopkins

378
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move on or to opus or to an organization

379
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that collects this

380
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icar uh they've done an amazing job

381
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they've done uh blood samples because

382
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we're looking at

383
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we need we see that not only in the

384
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abduction phenomena but contact these

385
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are generational

386
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it goes back many generations in the

387
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family and so we have to look now at

388
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blood type

389
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and dna how do

390
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how do these people find you well

391
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i run the experiencers group uh

392
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in 2013 at san jose ufo con

393
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i'm doing it again this march 27th in

394
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san jose ufo con

395
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online i do

396
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as much public speaking regarding it

397
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because

398
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really believe that people have the

399
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right to be able to speak

400
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freely about their see without the

401
00:15:29,430 --> 00:15:27,199
ridicule

402
00:15:30,710 --> 00:15:29,440
without people telling them that they're

403
00:15:34,069 --> 00:15:30,720
crazy they're already

404
00:15:35,590 --> 00:15:34,079
having to question their own sanity um

405
00:15:37,990 --> 00:15:35,600
after going through this unless of

406
00:15:38,790 --> 00:15:38,000
course they're a lifelong experiencer

407
00:15:41,110 --> 00:15:38,800
and they've

408
00:15:42,230 --> 00:15:41,120
they've psychologically adapted to this

409
00:15:44,310 --> 00:15:42,240
and accepted it

410
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as part of their own reality from a very

411
00:15:46,949 --> 00:15:46,160
early age so it is in their belief

412
00:15:49,990 --> 00:15:46,959
system

413
00:15:51,829 --> 00:15:50,000
well now run it run it through to us if

414
00:15:55,189 --> 00:15:51,839
somebody comes to you

415
00:15:56,870 --> 00:15:55,199
uh how do you know that they've had an

416
00:15:58,550 --> 00:15:56,880
actual experience that they're just not

417
00:16:01,590 --> 00:15:58,560
making either making it up

418
00:16:04,870 --> 00:16:01,600
or uh that they're

419
00:16:06,790 --> 00:16:04,880
hallucinating it or are just not

420
00:16:09,350 --> 00:16:06,800
balanced correctly whatever the word is

421
00:16:09,829 --> 00:16:09,360
yes sure somebody's hearing voices you

422
00:16:12,069 --> 00:16:09,839
know

423
00:16:14,069 --> 00:16:12,079
you're ruling out uh such things as

424
00:16:17,269 --> 00:16:14,079
auditory hallucinations

425
00:16:20,470 --> 00:16:17,279
and schizophrenia perhaps even

426
00:16:22,310 --> 00:16:20,480
demonic possession uh

427
00:16:25,670 --> 00:16:22,320
there's you know a number what what do

428
00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:30,389
just exactly what it says

429
00:16:34,389 --> 00:16:31,749
so do you believe in the paranormal as

430
00:16:36,150 --> 00:16:34,399
well well i think that the two subjects

431
00:16:38,629 --> 00:16:36,160
definitely bleed together

432
00:16:39,509 --> 00:16:38,639
it seems to me that once that part of

433
00:16:42,790 --> 00:16:39,519
our consciousness

434
00:16:45,749 --> 00:16:42,800
is open to accepting the unseen

435
00:16:47,670 --> 00:16:45,759
um or we begin to investigate it i think

436
00:16:48,710 --> 00:16:47,680
as soon as we start to take steps in

437
00:16:52,870 --> 00:16:48,720
that area we

438
00:16:55,350 --> 00:16:52,880
grow in that area so people who have had

439
00:16:57,110 --> 00:16:55,360
extraterrestrial experiences increase

440
00:16:59,110 --> 00:16:57,120
things like psychism

441
00:17:00,470 --> 00:16:59,120
uh they'll see a ghost or some other

442
00:17:03,030 --> 00:17:00,480
type of operation

443
00:17:04,309 --> 00:17:03,040
there's a one woman in the group who it

444
00:17:07,350 --> 00:17:04,319
does paranormal

445
00:17:09,510 --> 00:17:07,360
a research and a work and

446
00:17:10,870 --> 00:17:09,520
she has probably some of the most

447
00:17:14,309 --> 00:17:10,880
spectacular

448
00:17:15,669 --> 00:17:14,319
evps i've ever heard and they're not

449
00:17:19,909 --> 00:17:15,679
like words here and there they're

450
00:17:27,510 --> 00:17:23,590
so yeah absolutely i mean based on

451
00:17:29,830 --> 00:17:27,520
many things such as the drake equation

452
00:17:32,630 --> 00:17:29,840
for the existence of life on extra pla

453
00:17:33,430 --> 00:17:32,640
on other planets and the fact that i've

454
00:17:37,029 --> 00:17:33,440
personally

455
00:17:40,070 --> 00:17:37,039
have had um an out-of-body experience

456
00:17:40,789 --> 00:17:40,080
i know that we can exist and live and

457
00:17:44,070 --> 00:17:40,799
have full

458
00:17:45,750 --> 00:17:44,080
consciousness outside the body um

459
00:17:47,830 --> 00:17:45,760
so yeah i believe that there's certainly

460
00:17:48,310 --> 00:17:47,840
a whole lot more than what meets the eye

461
00:17:51,430 --> 00:17:48,320
but

462
00:17:52,870 --> 00:17:51,440
again i'm aware of the definition of the

463
00:17:56,070 --> 00:17:52,880
word human

464
00:17:59,750 --> 00:17:56,080
hue being the ancient definition and

465
00:18:02,950 --> 00:17:59,760
modern days we use it to describe the

466
00:18:03,590 --> 00:18:02,960
intensity of light so it's a measurement

467
00:18:06,230 --> 00:18:03,600
of light

468
00:18:06,950 --> 00:18:06,240
and man being short for manifestation a

469
00:18:09,750 --> 00:18:06,960
human

470
00:18:10,710 --> 00:18:09,760
is a light embodied entity and with that

471
00:18:13,029 --> 00:18:10,720
reality

472
00:18:14,470 --> 00:18:13,039
we have the option to really move and

473
00:18:18,630 --> 00:18:14,480
expand the mind

474
00:18:20,710 --> 00:18:18,640
into multiple realities and dimensions

475
00:18:22,630 --> 00:18:20,720
by very definition of what we are

476
00:18:26,830 --> 00:18:22,640
composed of

477
00:18:32,310 --> 00:18:29,750
i um went to the alchemical hypnotherapy

478
00:18:33,590 --> 00:18:32,320
institute of sacramento to become a

479
00:18:36,630 --> 00:18:33,600
master hypnotist

480
00:18:37,029 --> 00:18:36,640
and then transferred to santa fe where i

481
00:18:40,070 --> 00:18:37,039
went

482
00:18:43,029 --> 00:18:40,080
uh to become a clinical uh

483
00:18:43,909 --> 00:18:43,039
hypnotherapist and in order to pass

484
00:18:47,190 --> 00:18:43,919
these tests

485
00:18:49,830 --> 00:18:47,200
i had to do a regression um

486
00:18:51,590 --> 00:18:49,840
in front of a panel for the ach which is

487
00:18:53,909 --> 00:18:51,600
the american council for

488
00:18:55,350 --> 00:18:53,919
hypnotherapy examiners made sure i can

489
00:18:56,950 --> 00:18:55,360
regress somebody to the

490
00:18:59,270 --> 00:18:56,960
different levels of consciousness and

491
00:19:02,710 --> 00:18:59,280
then bring them back up safely

492
00:19:06,070 --> 00:19:02,720
and so in doing so the subject

493
00:19:10,230 --> 00:19:06,080
came to me for a

494
00:19:11,350 --> 00:19:10,240
hidden creativity and changed during the

495
00:19:15,270 --> 00:19:11,360
regression to

496
00:19:17,830 --> 00:19:15,280
seeing a ufo of being with his brother

497
00:19:18,310 --> 00:19:17,840
having it land having the entities come

498
00:19:20,870 --> 00:19:18,320
out

499
00:19:23,110 --> 00:19:20,880
and then when i asked him to describe

500
00:19:27,270 --> 00:19:23,120
what entity he was seeing

501
00:19:29,830 --> 00:19:27,280
in front of me a like softball-sized

502
00:19:30,870 --> 00:19:29,840
sphere of light appeared above his head

503
00:19:34,310 --> 00:19:30,880
and just

504
00:19:37,110 --> 00:19:34,320
scanned down his body and disappeared

505
00:19:39,029 --> 00:19:37,120
relatively quickly i looked over my

506
00:19:42,150 --> 00:19:39,039
shoulder at the judges

507
00:19:43,270 --> 00:19:42,160
who indicated to me to continue and

508
00:19:46,630 --> 00:19:43,280
their like jaws

509
00:19:47,430 --> 00:19:46,640
were wide open and um i tried to

510
00:19:49,510 --> 00:19:47,440
continue

511
00:19:51,669 --> 00:19:49,520
with the ufo stuff and it seemed like

512
00:19:54,150 --> 00:19:51,679
his memory was just gone

513
00:19:55,190 --> 00:19:54,160
and he went back to his original session

514
00:19:58,230 --> 00:19:55,200
i finished it

515
00:19:59,510 --> 00:19:58,240
brought him back up and who wouldn't be

516
00:20:02,710 --> 00:19:59,520
intrigued

517
00:20:04,470 --> 00:20:02,720
yeah so so you you had uh

518
00:20:05,990 --> 00:20:04,480
an experience right there was that the

519
00:20:08,630 --> 00:20:06,000
first or had in your own

520
00:20:09,830 --> 00:20:08,640
private uh life had you had other

521
00:20:17,750 --> 00:20:09,840
experiences

522
00:20:21,110 --> 00:20:17,760
um as a young child i um

523
00:20:23,510 --> 00:20:21,120
definitely saw the the very beautiful

524
00:20:26,470 --> 00:20:23,520
violet colored silhouette ones that

525
00:20:30,390 --> 00:20:26,480
people refer to as celestial entities

526
00:20:30,830 --> 00:20:30,400
which um exist above the frequency band

527
00:20:32,549 --> 00:20:30,840
where

528
00:20:34,470 --> 00:20:32,559
extraterrestrial there's a bit of a

529
00:20:37,310 --> 00:20:34,480
hierarchy it's sort of like

530
00:20:39,669 --> 00:20:37,320
subterranean then terrestrial

531
00:20:42,549 --> 00:20:39,679
extraterrestrial celestial

532
00:20:44,310 --> 00:20:42,559
and so uh depending on the type of

533
00:20:47,029 --> 00:20:44,320
entity was what they live in

534
00:20:49,270 --> 00:20:47,039
so the ones that appear just in

535
00:20:51,270 --> 00:20:49,280
energetic colors like that i saw from a

536
00:20:54,470 --> 00:20:51,280
relatively early age

537
00:20:54,950 --> 00:20:54,480
didn't think anything of it they were

538
00:21:02,149 --> 00:20:54,960
actually

539
00:21:06,230 --> 00:21:02,159
yeah i they i could hear them speak

540
00:21:09,990 --> 00:21:06,240
in what was a extraordinarily lovely

541
00:21:13,590 --> 00:21:10,000
uh high frequency feminine

542
00:21:16,870 --> 00:21:13,600
voice and yeah

543
00:21:21,909 --> 00:21:16,880
absolutely so thought that um

544
00:21:27,510 --> 00:21:25,510
so now how how when i think of

545
00:21:29,149 --> 00:21:27,520
abductions i think of betty hill now her

546
00:21:32,310 --> 00:21:29,159
experience was in the

547
00:21:34,789 --> 00:21:32,320
1960s that seems to have been

548
00:21:37,190 --> 00:21:34,799
the the first uh abduction certainly the

549
00:21:41,270 --> 00:21:37,200
first one that got any public attention

550
00:21:43,590 --> 00:21:41,280
how come the earlier uh contactees

551
00:21:45,909 --> 00:21:43,600
seem to have a a different approach to

552
00:21:48,870 --> 00:21:45,919
all of this most of their experiences

553
00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:48,880
were very positive they told about

554
00:21:51,990 --> 00:21:49,440
meeting

555
00:21:53,190 --> 00:21:52,000
the space brothers and being given uh

556
00:21:55,990 --> 00:21:53,200
cosmic

557
00:21:56,789 --> 00:21:56,000
wisdom of one kind or another and then

558
00:22:00,390 --> 00:21:56,799
later on

559
00:22:02,950 --> 00:22:00,400
the experiences with travis walton uh

560
00:22:04,149 --> 00:22:02,960
betty hill and and all these other

561
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:04,159
abductees

562
00:22:10,310 --> 00:22:07,200
became much more frightening in nature

563
00:22:13,029 --> 00:22:10,320
why the the flip as far as these

564
00:22:13,909 --> 00:22:13,039
encounters and experiences go different

565
00:22:17,190 --> 00:22:13,919
entities

566
00:22:21,830 --> 00:22:17,200
i mean the indigenous people

567
00:22:24,870 --> 00:22:21,840
of the americas uh spoke of star people

568
00:22:28,870 --> 00:22:24,880
who brought them uh information in

569
00:22:31,909 --> 00:22:28,880
and help in such things as agriculture

570
00:22:34,909 --> 00:22:31,919
and natural medicine

571
00:22:36,310 --> 00:22:34,919
and they were considered very good but

572
00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:36,320
simultaneously

573
00:22:43,190 --> 00:22:40,080
in other parts of the world people spoke

574
00:22:46,029 --> 00:22:43,200
of what was called the jinn and they

575
00:22:49,830 --> 00:22:46,039
were considered some type of a

576
00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:49,840
extraterrestrial or demon i mean in fact

577
00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:53,520
if when it's uh translated in palestine

578
00:22:59,909 --> 00:22:54,000
they

579
00:23:02,870 --> 00:22:59,919
very similar things where the body

580
00:23:04,870 --> 00:23:02,880
becomes paralyzed they're unable to move

581
00:23:07,510 --> 00:23:04,880
they sense the entities in their room

582
00:23:09,510 --> 00:23:07,520
and then at the same time since

583
00:23:10,549 --> 00:23:09,520
other entities in the room and those

584
00:23:13,110 --> 00:23:10,559
similarities

585
00:23:15,430 --> 00:23:13,120
have not changed in the abduction part

586
00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:15,440
now the contact part that that's a

587
00:23:20,149 --> 00:23:17,039
different category

588
00:23:27,190 --> 00:23:24,230
on one interaction like many

589
00:23:29,430 --> 00:23:27,200
and many indigenous peoples as well even

590
00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:29,440
charles hall back in the 60s claimed

591
00:23:33,029 --> 00:23:31,440
that the tall whites were on the indian

592
00:23:36,390 --> 00:23:33,039
springs reservation

593
00:23:38,310 --> 00:23:36,400
or not reservation but um

594
00:23:39,669 --> 00:23:38,320
a military base they had their own

595
00:23:41,909 --> 00:23:39,679
barracks

596
00:23:43,510 --> 00:23:41,919
and actually had families a playground

597
00:23:45,750 --> 00:23:43,520
where their children lived in and they

598
00:23:47,669 --> 00:23:45,760
were an extraterrestrial entity that

599
00:23:50,149 --> 00:23:47,679
looks rather similar

600
00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:50,159
to a human and can slightly disguise

601
00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:52,240
themselves to blend in

602
00:23:55,990 --> 00:23:54,720
they gave good information but were not

603
00:23:58,549 --> 00:23:56,000
exactly

604
00:23:59,110 --> 00:23:58,559
you know altruistic it depends on the

605
00:24:02,830 --> 00:23:59,120
entity

606
00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:02,840
people have reptiles uh

607
00:24:08,789 --> 00:24:06,480
those those interactions with reptoids

608
00:24:10,390 --> 00:24:08,799
are quite frightening

609
00:24:11,909 --> 00:24:10,400
i'm not sure it's not all mixed up

610
00:24:13,669 --> 00:24:11,919
though you know the when you know

611
00:24:15,110 --> 00:24:13,679
we talk about paranormal or we talk

612
00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:15,120
about the extraterrestrial

613
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:18,240
because i just kind of feel like

614
00:24:21,350 --> 00:24:19,919
because you're going between these these

615
00:24:23,590 --> 00:24:21,360
two different planes

616
00:24:25,430 --> 00:24:23,600
you know that you don't need a body like

617
00:24:27,110 --> 00:24:25,440
everything that's described like that

618
00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:27,120
just sounds like

619
00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:30,720
maybe that was you know the origin of

620
00:24:35,590 --> 00:24:33,600
of what people call demons and angels

621
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:35,600
and all this so i i mean i'm not so sure

622
00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:37,200
it's not all wrapped up

623
00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:40,320
well i i agree i mean

624
00:24:47,190 --> 00:24:44,400
you know yeah it's the terminology

625
00:24:48,070 --> 00:24:47,200
that uh the people use at the time i

626
00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:48,080
mean

627
00:24:51,750 --> 00:24:50,320
and it does bleed in and then yeah

628
00:24:54,390 --> 00:24:51,760
absolutely then there's your whole

629
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:54,400
interdimensional beings

630
00:24:58,470 --> 00:24:56,640
that people talk about and they come

631
00:25:00,070 --> 00:24:58,480
through dimensionally

632
00:25:01,669 --> 00:25:00,080
which is different than

633
00:25:04,710 --> 00:25:01,679
extraterrestrially one is

634
00:25:06,549 --> 00:25:04,720
parallel one is horizontal parallel is

635
00:25:09,029 --> 00:25:06,559
the dimension aspect

636
00:25:10,230 --> 00:25:09,039
and these are different entities we hear

637
00:25:14,070 --> 00:25:10,240
people talk about

638
00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:14,080
to them as shadow people or

639
00:25:18,230 --> 00:25:16,880
the hat men so on and so forth and that

640
00:25:22,390 --> 00:25:18,240
definitely is

641
00:25:25,110 --> 00:25:22,400
more paranormal yeah i've i've kind of

642
00:25:26,310 --> 00:25:25,120
put these all under the category of

643
00:25:28,390 --> 00:25:26,320
alter

644
00:25:29,830 --> 00:25:28,400
terrestrials uh because we don't we

645
00:25:31,669 --> 00:25:29,840
don't really know

646
00:25:33,669 --> 00:25:31,679
whether i mean you know just because an

647
00:25:35,430 --> 00:25:33,679
entity i'm sure you found this out too

648
00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:35,440
just because an entity tells you

649
00:25:39,350 --> 00:25:36,960
that they're from somewhere or they're

650
00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:39,360
due they're here to do a specific job it

651
00:25:43,190 --> 00:25:40,799
doesn't necessarily mean

652
00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:43,200
that that's the case i in the early

653
00:25:46,149 --> 00:25:44,400
contact d

654
00:25:48,310 --> 00:25:46,159
experiences and the people who claim

655
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:48,320
that they had face-to-face encounters

656
00:25:52,230 --> 00:25:50,640
they said these beings were coming from

657
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:52,240
venus and mars

658
00:25:57,350 --> 00:25:55,440
and had civilizations on saturn well

659
00:26:00,070 --> 00:25:57,360
we know in the physical sense that this

660
00:26:03,110 --> 00:26:00,080
is uh an impossibility so

661
00:26:03,750 --> 00:26:03,120
uh the um the ufo being the the ufo

662
00:26:06,070 --> 00:26:03,760
beings

663
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:06,080
sometimes can be tricksters they tell

664
00:26:09,669 --> 00:26:06,960
you what

665
00:26:11,110 --> 00:26:09,679
they want you to believe not what is

666
00:26:13,669 --> 00:26:11,120
necessarily the truth

667
00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:13,679
i absolutely agree with that i i see

668
00:26:18,630 --> 00:26:15,360
that all the time

669
00:26:21,669 --> 00:26:18,640
there's a huge type of manipulation

670
00:26:22,710 --> 00:26:21,679
in that phenomena and we have to be very

671
00:26:26,070 --> 00:26:22,720
careful

672
00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:26,080
i mean really you hear a voice we need

673
00:26:28,390 --> 00:26:27,760
to know where that's coming from you

674
00:26:31,990 --> 00:26:28,400
know as much

675
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:32,000
research as possible

676
00:26:35,590 --> 00:26:34,559
the large amount of people that it's

677
00:26:37,590 --> 00:26:35,600
affecting

678
00:26:39,269 --> 00:26:37,600
i mean people who are exploring and

679
00:26:40,630 --> 00:26:39,279
researching the paranormal

680
00:26:42,789 --> 00:26:40,640
they're getting quite a lot of

681
00:26:45,909 --> 00:26:42,799
information too but we need to

682
00:26:46,549 --> 00:26:45,919
see something like basically the next

683
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:46,559
step

684
00:26:54,230 --> 00:26:50,080
how do we interact at will

685
00:26:56,310 --> 00:26:54,240
or if these beings do have a a program

686
00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:56,320
and did you say or i know i've heard it

687
00:27:00,070 --> 00:26:57,360
said that

688
00:27:00,549 --> 00:27:00,080
there are 70 races of beings coming here

689
00:27:02,149 --> 00:27:00,559
well

690
00:27:04,070 --> 00:27:02,159
that to my way of thinking seems a

691
00:27:06,310 --> 00:27:04,080
little bit uh uh

692
00:27:08,230 --> 00:27:06,320
you know off the wall should i say

693
00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:08,240
because i mean there's no way of proving

694
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:10,799
that uh a lot of these entities they

695
00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:12,240
outside of the ones that are

696
00:27:15,430 --> 00:27:13,600
human-looking and

697
00:27:16,950 --> 00:27:15,440
the tall whites that carla knows about

698
00:27:17,909 --> 00:27:16,960
because she thinks one of them came into

699
00:27:21,430 --> 00:27:17,919
her uh

700
00:27:23,909 --> 00:27:21,440
uh a hair a salon balance in jersey city

701
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:23,919
uh do that that would be something a

702
00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:24,960
hybrid

703
00:27:29,269 --> 00:27:27,120
or a tall white would do just to have

704
00:27:31,990 --> 00:27:29,279
the experience so they learn how to

705
00:27:34,389 --> 00:27:32,000
integrate into our society better but go

706
00:27:38,549 --> 00:27:34,399
on sorry

707
00:27:40,470 --> 00:27:38,559
go on tim yeah well um so now what

708
00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:40,480
what is the outcome of all of this where

709
00:27:45,669 --> 00:27:42,640
where are we going to uh

710
00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:45,679
ahead with this exactly

711
00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:47,520
all right let's take let's take a little

712
00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:50,000
uh break here for a moment okay and

713
00:27:54,470 --> 00:27:52,720
then we'll we'll come back with the uh

714
00:28:20,549 --> 00:27:54,480
with some more of this very

715
00:28:25,510 --> 00:28:23,590
we're back with laurie mcdonald and on

716
00:28:28,950 --> 00:28:25,520
the other side of the hudson river in

717
00:28:32,389 --> 00:28:28,960
jersey city balancing us all out

718
00:28:35,430 --> 00:28:32,399
is carla anderson hello hello

719
00:28:38,470 --> 00:28:35,440
and down in miami is the

720
00:28:41,269 --> 00:28:38,480
jackal who's keeping this all

721
00:28:42,149 --> 00:28:41,279
organized okay uh laurie we haven't it

722
00:28:43,990 --> 00:28:42,159
would have been funny if you would have

723
00:28:47,350 --> 00:28:44,000
said a float because i came on a boat

724
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:47,360
to this country did you come on a boat

725
00:28:50,789 --> 00:28:50,080
i did i'm cuban so you came on a boat

726
00:28:52,070 --> 00:28:50,799
yeah

727
00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:52,080
automatically you don't want to boat if

728
00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:54,080
you're from cuba do you have to

729
00:28:57,430 --> 00:28:55,919
especially if you came into the 1990

730
00:28:58,870 --> 00:28:57,440
1980 mario boat boatlift

731
00:29:01,350 --> 00:28:58,880
that's how i came into this country oh

732
00:29:01,750 --> 00:29:01,360
well well i came into this country on a

733
00:29:05,750 --> 00:29:01,760
boat

734
00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:05,760
great okay and we're all going to leave

735
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:07,919
on a spaceship according to laurie

736
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:10,559
that's my wish that's my dream i didn't

737
00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:12,480
say that

738
00:29:15,830 --> 00:29:14,159
are we are we going to be lifted up is

739
00:29:19,269 --> 00:29:15,840
there some end times thing

740
00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:19,279
prophecy coming here no i i don't

741
00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:20,159
believe so

742
00:29:23,669 --> 00:29:22,480
i do believe though that there is a bit

743
00:29:26,950 --> 00:29:23,679
of uh

744
00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:26,960
evolution happening as it should

745
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:29,440
so it's a mental thing instead of a an

746
00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:30,480
actual it's a

747
00:29:36,310 --> 00:29:33,760
mental liftoff instead of a physical

748
00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:36,320
uh liftoff i'm not saying that it can't

749
00:29:40,149 --> 00:29:38,480
be a physical liftoff as well tim

750
00:29:42,070 --> 00:29:40,159
i mean i think it could be a purge

751
00:29:43,669 --> 00:29:42,080
myself

752
00:29:45,430 --> 00:29:43,679
you know right like like over time like

753
00:29:45,669 --> 00:29:45,440
we've been purged several times you know

754
00:29:47,830 --> 00:29:45,679
and

755
00:29:49,350 --> 00:29:47,840
as we you know then earth has come back

756
00:29:50,870 --> 00:29:49,360
you know to something else and then to

757
00:29:53,430 --> 00:29:50,880
something else and i'm i think it's

758
00:29:53,990 --> 00:29:53,440
i think it's coming toward a perch yeah

759
00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:54,000
i mean that's

760
00:29:58,630 --> 00:29:56,720
definitely possible but it's never ended

761
00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:58,640
times it only ended

762
00:30:02,070 --> 00:30:00,720
those times those times and then it went

763
00:30:03,909 --> 00:30:02,080
on to a new time

764
00:30:06,389 --> 00:30:03,919
that's right and hopefully each and

765
00:30:08,789 --> 00:30:06,399
every one was a little bit better

766
00:30:09,669 --> 00:30:08,799
in some way i mean i do like to look

767
00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:09,679
back at

768
00:30:16,070 --> 00:30:12,960
history in broad strokes to see

769
00:30:17,269 --> 00:30:16,080
if fundamentally people have changed

770
00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:17,279
that they have

771
00:30:24,070 --> 00:30:20,480
been able to rise up to be fully

772
00:30:25,669 --> 00:30:24,080
human and kinder more aware um

773
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:25,679
and i hope that we are moving in that

774
00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:27,600
direction well i mean you know i think

775
00:30:31,029 --> 00:30:29,039
that

776
00:30:32,549 --> 00:30:31,039
six thousand years ago we probably had a

777
00:30:34,549 --> 00:30:32,559
lot of knowledge already

778
00:30:36,070 --> 00:30:34,559
and yet 200 years ago we're walking

779
00:30:38,710 --> 00:30:36,080
around in the dark

780
00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:38,720
you know in pilgrim times you know i

781
00:30:42,470 --> 00:30:40,559
think it's weird that

782
00:30:44,149 --> 00:30:42,480
that you know that you find you know in

783
00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:44,159
the old drawings and all this all the

784
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:44,880
ancient

785
00:30:48,710 --> 00:30:46,320
drawings that it looks like we had all

786
00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:48,720
kinds of technology back then

787
00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:50,159
and then all of a sudden we were brought

788
00:30:54,630 --> 00:30:52,320
back to a place where we're you know

789
00:30:55,510 --> 00:30:54,640
trying to rub two sticks together again

790
00:30:57,669 --> 00:30:55,520
you know

791
00:31:00,149 --> 00:30:57,679
because whenever we become very

792
00:31:01,590 --> 00:31:00,159
technically advanced instead of using

793
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:01,600
that technology

794
00:31:06,630 --> 00:31:04,960
for the betterment of mankind it's

795
00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:06,640
turned into a weapon

796
00:31:12,950 --> 00:31:10,080
such as tesla's scalar waves and

797
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:12,960
and every other type of psychotronic

798
00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:14,880
radionic

799
00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:16,960
mind control device that they use and

800
00:31:20,950 --> 00:31:18,960
instead of using that to perpetuate

801
00:31:22,310 --> 00:31:20,960
the betterment they use it to control

802
00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:22,320
people to a negative

803
00:31:26,310 --> 00:31:24,640
that's our problem we're still not doing

804
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:26,320
it for the betterment

805
00:31:29,830 --> 00:31:29,279
i think i think i think everything

806
00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:29,840
everyone

807
00:31:32,950 --> 00:31:31,600
i think we have all this knowledge then

808
00:31:35,669 --> 00:31:32,960
we blow ourselves up

809
00:31:36,389 --> 00:31:35,679
somehow somehow we get purged we purge

810
00:31:38,230 --> 00:31:36,399
ourselves

811
00:31:39,669 --> 00:31:38,240
then we have to start all over again and

812
00:31:41,909 --> 00:31:39,679
and we're working it out

813
00:31:42,710 --> 00:31:41,919
it's really now that you mention it it's

814
00:31:45,029 --> 00:31:42,720
strange

815
00:31:46,470 --> 00:31:45,039
well yeah i think that's what it is you

816
00:31:48,630 --> 00:31:46,480
know ladies are tired the

817
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:48,640
time is a clicking away here but uh

818
00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:49,919
laurie what did you tell

819
00:31:54,070 --> 00:31:52,080
why don't you yes that's correct yeah

820
00:31:56,950 --> 00:31:54,080
why don't you tell us

821
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:56,960
a couple of brief examples of the type

822
00:32:01,430 --> 00:31:58,320
of experiences that

823
00:32:03,909 --> 00:32:01,440
are uh reported to you maybe uh one

824
00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:03,919
abduction and one contact

825
00:32:08,870 --> 00:32:06,880
well what's very common in the abduction

826
00:32:12,149 --> 00:32:08,880
and i see the same type of

827
00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:12,159
case over and over again are women

828
00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:15,440
who come to me and they say that they've

829
00:32:17,789 --> 00:32:15,840
had

830
00:32:19,269 --> 00:32:17,799
eggs taken from them from

831
00:32:22,470 --> 00:32:19,279
extraterrestrials

832
00:32:23,430 --> 00:32:22,480
that they're absolutely terrified that

833
00:32:25,509 --> 00:32:23,440
later

834
00:32:27,269 --> 00:32:25,519
they're brought on to what they believe

835
00:32:30,149 --> 00:32:27,279
is a craft or to some

836
00:32:30,630 --> 00:32:30,159
facility they don't always know for sure

837
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:30,640
and

838
00:32:36,549 --> 00:32:34,640
a extraterrestrial human

839
00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:36,559
child is put into their arms you know

840
00:32:40,789 --> 00:32:37,840
some women

841
00:32:43,029 --> 00:32:40,799
are very repulsed but they keep getting

842
00:32:45,909 --> 00:32:43,039
this message from the

843
00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:45,919
usually it's a grey alien uh telling

844
00:32:48,230 --> 00:32:46,240
them

845
00:32:49,350 --> 00:32:48,240
you know to nurture and help out the

846
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:49,360
child

847
00:32:55,509 --> 00:32:52,480
one woman you know that i'm dealing with

848
00:32:55,990 --> 00:32:55,519
the child didn't survive and she

849
00:32:58,470 --> 00:32:56,000
suffered

850
00:33:01,350 --> 00:32:58,480
another set of trauma on there you know

851
00:33:03,750 --> 00:33:01,360
felt it as if she had lost her own

852
00:33:05,350 --> 00:33:03,760
baby i mean we call that post-abduction

853
00:33:08,470 --> 00:33:05,360
stress disorder

854
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:08,480
and people you know need help after this

855
00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:11,600
but this is what's happening women

856
00:33:15,669 --> 00:33:14,159
now are saying okay you know i'm past

857
00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:15,679
the abduction part

858
00:33:23,590 --> 00:33:20,640
i'm healed from that i want my baby back

859
00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:23,600
what are we gonna do with that those are

860
00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:24,000
half

861
00:33:30,630 --> 00:33:27,360
human children and they have a very

862
00:33:33,190 --> 00:33:30,640
strong maternal instinct and

863
00:33:34,630 --> 00:33:33,200
they feel that their human rights were

864
00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:34,640
violated and they most

865
00:33:41,110 --> 00:33:38,000
certainly are correct about that so

866
00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:41,120
that's pretty typical as far as contact

867
00:33:45,269 --> 00:33:42,240
goes it falls into

868
00:33:47,830 --> 00:33:45,279
multiple categories but what i see

869
00:33:49,029 --> 00:33:47,840
is people who have contact who believe

870
00:33:52,870 --> 00:33:49,039
that

871
00:33:56,070 --> 00:33:52,880
here

872
00:33:59,190 --> 00:33:56,080
monitoring and compiling information

873
00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:59,200
on human or let's just kind of see like

874
00:34:04,789 --> 00:34:00,480
if we are

875
00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:04,799
misusing that technology that we have

876
00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:08,399
they report things like our balance in

877
00:34:13,669 --> 00:34:09,919
our ecosystem

878
00:34:16,069 --> 00:34:13,679
our ecologies our levels of pollution

879
00:34:18,149 --> 00:34:16,079
um and they say that they have

880
00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:18,159
interaction and i have a

881
00:34:21,750 --> 00:34:21,440
handful of people that i'm working with

882
00:34:24,389 --> 00:34:21,760
who

883
00:34:25,109 --> 00:34:24,399
say that you know for some it's really

884
00:34:27,909 --> 00:34:25,119
difficult

885
00:34:29,190 --> 00:34:27,919
they don't want to be subjected to this

886
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:29,200
type of information

887
00:34:32,389 --> 00:34:31,200
they don't want to know about it the

888
00:34:35,909 --> 00:34:32,399
others do

889
00:34:39,109 --> 00:34:35,919
and so what what is the ultimate

890
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:39,119
outcome of this i mean is there going to

891
00:34:42,470 --> 00:34:40,240
be a day

892
00:34:44,710 --> 00:34:42,480
of disclosure i mean not in the sense of

893
00:34:46,069 --> 00:34:44,720
that we have disclosure like uh

894
00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:46,079
they're talking about in a political

895
00:34:48,550 --> 00:34:47,760
sense that obama is going to get on tv

896
00:34:50,629 --> 00:34:48,560
and say hey there are

897
00:34:52,069 --> 00:34:50,639
aliens here but is there going to be

898
00:34:54,790 --> 00:34:52,079
some ultimate

899
00:34:56,710 --> 00:34:54,800
time when this will be known to everyone

900
00:34:57,270 --> 00:34:56,720
not just the four or five percent of the

901
00:34:59,670 --> 00:34:57,280
people

902
00:35:00,870 --> 00:34:59,680
that have had these experiences well

903
00:35:04,069 --> 00:35:00,880
remember that

904
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:04,079
four or five percent of the people is

905
00:35:09,270 --> 00:35:07,200
hundreds of millions of people and

906
00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:09,280
that's a very large number and will we

907
00:35:12,470 --> 00:35:10,560
have disclosure well

908
00:35:14,790 --> 00:35:12,480
the only lobbyist in the united states

909
00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:14,800
of america is stephen bassett

910
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:16,480
and he's been pushing for that and

911
00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:18,240
they've done up already a mock

912
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:20,800
congressional hearing and petitions are

913
00:35:23,829 --> 00:35:21,520
going around

914
00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:23,839
signatures are being collected globally

915
00:35:27,069 --> 00:35:24,800
the un

916
00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:27,079
is having a meeting to discuss the

917
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:29,760
extraterrestrial presence on the planet

918
00:35:33,750 --> 00:35:32,640
huge countries like brazil 12 other

919
00:35:36,870 --> 00:35:33,760
countries have put

920
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:36,880
all of their ufo information together

921
00:35:42,550 --> 00:35:39,040
and they're actually working with

922
00:35:45,270 --> 00:35:42,560
their air forces and ufo researchers

923
00:35:46,870 --> 00:35:45,280
to see where this is going disclosure

924
00:35:49,510 --> 00:35:46,880
will come

925
00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:49,520
maybe this year maybe not i don't think

926
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:51,359
that it's political suicide

927
00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:53,040
but for those people who have

928
00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:54,720
experienced it

929
00:35:58,150 --> 00:35:57,040
they don't need proof and they certainly

930
00:36:02,470 --> 00:35:58,160
don't need some

931
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:02,480
four or eight term uh temporary

932
00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:05,040
position of authority to tell them that

933
00:36:08,630 --> 00:36:06,320
this is real

934
00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:08,640
because it's real to them and so they

935
00:36:12,550 --> 00:36:09,760
don't have to

936
00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:12,560
rely on that external source well well

937
00:36:18,470 --> 00:36:14,640
that's your absolutely

938
00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:18,480
you're absolutely 100 correct about this

939
00:36:21,990 --> 00:36:20,000
i've always said that people have had

940
00:36:23,589 --> 00:36:22,000
these experiences people who

941
00:36:25,349 --> 00:36:23,599
are knowledgeable about the subject you

942
00:36:27,910 --> 00:36:25,359
don't really need to tell them

943
00:36:29,430 --> 00:36:27,920
uh what's real and what isn't all right

944
00:36:32,470 --> 00:36:29,440
well lori you've made a

945
00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:32,480
a a lot of sense tonight and

946
00:36:35,589 --> 00:36:34,400
i'm happy that we did get together and

947
00:36:36,950 --> 00:36:35,599
discuss this and

948
00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:36,960
we'll have to do it again in the future

949
00:36:40,790 --> 00:36:39,040
why don't you tell our

950
00:36:43,349 --> 00:36:40,800
audience there how they can get in touch

951
00:36:44,550 --> 00:36:43,359
with you and um

952
00:36:47,109 --> 00:36:44,560
have you written any books on the

953
00:36:47,829 --> 00:36:47,119
subject or i'm currently writing a book

954
00:36:49,829 --> 00:36:47,839
right now

955
00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:49,839
entitled the extraterrestrial

956
00:36:53,109 --> 00:36:51,280
interference

957
00:36:57,030 --> 00:36:53,119
um they can get a hold of me through my

958
00:36:59,190 --> 00:36:57,040
website www.trueyou hypnotherapy.com or

959
00:37:01,990 --> 00:36:59,200
come out to uh ufocon

960
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:02,000
in san jose march 27th i'm on the

961
00:37:06,230 --> 00:37:04,079
abduction panel there and then

962
00:37:08,310 --> 00:37:06,240
the following sunday free of charge i'll

963
00:37:10,069 --> 00:37:08,320
be running an experiencers group

964
00:37:11,510 --> 00:37:10,079
if you have an experience you've

965
00:37:13,670 --> 00:37:11,520
encountered something and you want an

966
00:37:14,190 --> 00:37:13,680
opportunity to finally speak about it in

967
00:37:17,510 --> 00:37:14,200
a

968
00:37:19,910 --> 00:37:17,520
opportunity

969
00:37:20,790 --> 00:37:19,920
well you certainly are the person to go

970
00:37:23,109 --> 00:37:20,800
see about this

971
00:37:24,790 --> 00:37:23,119
and let's keep in contact and i

972
00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:24,800
certainly want to

973
00:37:29,109 --> 00:37:26,960
see how this plays out in the future

974
00:37:29,829 --> 00:37:29,119
because no doubt other people will be

975
00:37:33,030 --> 00:37:29,839
having

976
00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:33,040
some pretty strange experiences and

977
00:37:36,950 --> 00:37:35,280
so lori thank you for being on and we'll

978
00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:36,960
continue in just a few minutes

979
00:37:51,750 --> 00:37:40,000
with john ventry thank you lloyd thanks

980
00:37:55,510 --> 00:37:51,760
it's been my pleasure

981
00:37:58,069 --> 00:37:55,520
hey we are back on the air and this is

982
00:38:00,150 --> 00:37:58,079
unraveling the secrets and we've

983
00:38:02,950 --> 00:38:00,160
unraveled a few already tonight

984
00:38:04,150 --> 00:38:02,960
and we're going to unravel even more

985
00:38:08,069 --> 00:38:04,160
with our next guest

986
00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:08,079
john ventry now i watched john ventri

987
00:38:14,470 --> 00:38:11,200
on tv last night for several hours

988
00:38:15,910 --> 00:38:14,480
because he is the host on history two

989
00:38:19,270 --> 00:38:15,920
history channel two

990
00:38:21,349 --> 00:38:19,280
of uh hangar one

991
00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:21,359
and and so we've got a lot of questions

992
00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:23,280
to uh to ask and uh

993
00:38:26,550 --> 00:38:24,960
john is the state director for the

994
00:38:28,790 --> 00:38:26,560
mutual ufo uh

995
00:38:30,630 --> 00:38:28,800
network from the state of pennsylvania

996
00:38:31,589 --> 00:38:30,640
he's written for a lot of magazines on

997
00:38:33,589 --> 00:38:31,599
the subject

998
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:33,599
he's written several books that we're

999
00:38:37,270 --> 00:38:34,800
going to learn about

1000
00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:37,280
and he's got a great background in this

1001
00:38:40,630 --> 00:38:38,720
uh john why don't you just give us a

1002
00:38:42,310 --> 00:38:40,640
little bit of a scoop on what it is

1003
00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:42,320
you're doing how you got involved

1004
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:44,640
in in all of this because as far as i

1005
00:38:47,990 --> 00:38:45,599
know you're

1006
00:38:49,750 --> 00:38:48,000
uh compared to me at least a relatively

1007
00:38:51,990 --> 00:38:49,760
uh newcomer i guess your

1008
00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:52,000
your interest goes back to the flap in

1009
00:38:56,150 --> 00:38:53,280
in pennsylvania

1010
00:38:57,670 --> 00:38:56,160
in in pittsburgh well uh actually the

1011
00:39:02,230 --> 00:38:57,680
way i got started in this

1012
00:39:04,870 --> 00:39:02,240
was back in uh 90 1996

1013
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:04,880
i i actually had no interest in ufos you

1014
00:39:09,829 --> 00:39:07,200
know it's almost 40 years old

1015
00:39:11,270 --> 00:39:09,839
and i decided i wanted to write a book a

1016
00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:11,280
sci-fi book

1017
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:14,160
on uh you know end time prophecy the

1018
00:39:18,310 --> 00:39:15,280
mayan calendar

1019
00:39:21,589 --> 00:39:18,320
so as i started investigating uh

1020
00:39:23,750 --> 00:39:21,599
end time prophecies and other cultures

1021
00:39:25,349 --> 00:39:23,760
i kept coming across these other

1022
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:25,359
cultures talking about

1023
00:39:31,109 --> 00:39:28,800
uh star people flying shields

1024
00:39:32,470 --> 00:39:31,119
people from the stars so i said you know

1025
00:39:35,349 --> 00:39:32,480
what i'm going to look into

1026
00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:35,359
uh ufos so i really didn't get involved

1027
00:39:42,390 --> 00:39:38,880
in ufos until 1998 when i joined

1028
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:42,400
mufon so it's been 17 years just about

1029
00:39:46,150 --> 00:39:43,920
17 years now

1030
00:39:47,589 --> 00:39:46,160
but that's how i got started really was

1031
00:39:50,630 --> 00:39:47,599
researching uh

1032
00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:50,640
end time prophecy in the mayan calendar

1033
00:39:53,829 --> 00:39:52,400
so you obviously see that there's a

1034
00:39:56,950 --> 00:39:53,839
connection

1035
00:40:00,230 --> 00:39:56,960
between ufos and star people

1036
00:40:02,550 --> 00:40:00,240
in a lot of these prophecies and even

1037
00:40:04,470 --> 00:40:02,560
biblical matters is that correct yeah

1038
00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:04,480
absolutely uh you know you

1039
00:40:09,430 --> 00:40:06,240
i i don't know how you look at the

1040
00:40:11,990 --> 00:40:09,440
ancient history and not realize that

1041
00:40:12,630 --> 00:40:12,000
somebody was there helping us you know

1042
00:40:15,270 --> 00:40:12,640
uh

1043
00:40:15,829 --> 00:40:15,280
i don't know how much or maybe hindering

1044
00:40:20,550 --> 00:40:15,839
us

1045
00:40:23,190 --> 00:40:20,560
making a slaves to build their temples

1046
00:40:24,309 --> 00:40:23,200
but uh yeah it definitely it seemed to

1047
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:24,319
me that uh

1048
00:40:29,829 --> 00:40:28,079
you know gold yeah mining the gold also

1049
00:40:30,230 --> 00:40:29,839
yeah the technology the technology

1050
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:30,240
though

1051
00:40:36,550 --> 00:40:33,760
too yeah yeah hi john

1052
00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:36,560
yeah so hey how are you doing so yeah so

1053
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:38,079
that's how i got that's how i got

1054
00:40:41,190 --> 00:40:38,640
involved

1055
00:40:42,309 --> 00:40:41,200
in this and uh you know it's really the

1056
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:42,319
the first

1057
00:40:46,470 --> 00:40:45,119
big flap we had in pennsylvania uh was

1058
00:40:49,990 --> 00:40:46,480
that bucks county

1059
00:40:51,750 --> 00:40:50,000
flap in 2008 and uh you know so so

1060
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:51,760
that's really how i got involved with

1061
00:40:54,790 --> 00:40:53,520
the ufology

1062
00:40:57,030 --> 00:40:54,800
well why don't you tell us a little bit

1063
00:40:59,589 --> 00:40:57,040
about that flap i know it's uh

1064
00:41:01,990 --> 00:40:59,599
uh a part of the uh is it the discovery

1065
00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:02,000
channels ufos over earth

1066
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:03,920
yeah you know it's funny it's it's been

1067
00:41:08,230 --> 00:41:06,400
on uh the discovery channel a couple of

1068
00:41:11,349 --> 00:41:08,240
times i've done three different

1069
00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:11,359
shows uh short discovery on destination

1070
00:41:15,270 --> 00:41:12,160
america

1071
00:41:16,790 --> 00:41:15,280
the discovery science and discovery with

1072
00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:16,800
the bucks county we haven't done a

1073
00:41:20,230 --> 00:41:18,000
history channel

1074
00:41:22,470 --> 00:41:20,240
show yet on that on hanger one but we'll

1075
00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:22,480
i'm sure we'll get to it but uh

1076
00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:24,160
you know it was an interesting it was

1077
00:41:29,829 --> 00:41:26,400
like uh really started around

1078
00:41:31,430 --> 00:41:29,839
april of 2008 and uh

1079
00:41:33,510 --> 00:41:31,440
went through the summer and you know i

1080
00:41:33,990 --> 00:41:33,520
was getting these phone calls from

1081
00:41:37,030 --> 00:41:34,000
people

1082
00:41:37,990 --> 00:41:37,040
up in east lake ohio and they were

1083
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:38,000
telling me well

1084
00:41:41,910 --> 00:41:40,640
they see these uh these lights coming in

1085
00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:41,920
from lake erie

1086
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:44,160
and uh next thing you know i'll get a

1087
00:41:48,309 --> 00:41:45,440
you know either

1088
00:41:49,270 --> 00:41:48,319
you know a sighting reported to mufon or

1089
00:41:51,589 --> 00:41:49,280
a phone call

1090
00:41:52,630 --> 00:41:51,599
telling me that they see them coming in

1091
00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:52,640
uh from

1092
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:55,040
the lake over wheeling west virginia

1093
00:41:58,870 --> 00:41:56,640
then over pittsburgh then we were

1094
00:42:01,030 --> 00:41:58,880
getting them over state college then

1095
00:42:02,230 --> 00:42:01,040
uh heading across the state over bucks

1096
00:42:04,309 --> 00:42:02,240
county so

1097
00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:04,319
you know in some instances it it almost

1098
00:42:09,910 --> 00:42:06,720
seemed like it was the same ufo

1099
00:42:10,710 --> 00:42:09,920
that was reported and you know 10 15

1100
00:42:15,190 --> 00:42:10,720
minutes later

1101
00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:15,200
it was 300 miles you know away so

1102
00:42:19,030 --> 00:42:16,800
so we had some really good cases

1103
00:42:20,230 --> 00:42:19,040
although it started out of lake erie and

1104
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:20,240
in pittsburgh

1105
00:42:24,870 --> 00:42:23,040
the bulk of the cases occurred in bucks

1106
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:24,880
county pennsylvania

1107
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:28,400
and uh you know we went from getting 97

1108
00:42:33,589 --> 00:42:31,680
cases a year for the entire state

1109
00:42:35,589 --> 00:42:33,599
and and then all of a sudden in that

1110
00:42:39,030 --> 00:42:35,599
10-week period over the summer

1111
00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:39,040
we got about 250 cases so

1112
00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:40,960
you know that's why i call it a flap

1113
00:42:44,309 --> 00:42:43,200
because the amount of cases we got

1114
00:42:47,109 --> 00:42:44,319
nearly tripled

1115
00:42:49,589 --> 00:42:47,119
in in a two and a half month period but

1116
00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:49,599
the two of the cases in particular

1117
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:52,880
were very good uh one was

1118
00:42:56,550 --> 00:42:54,960
happened in levittown this woman by the

1119
00:42:59,829 --> 00:42:56,560
name of denise

1120
00:43:02,309 --> 00:42:59,839
her dogs barking and wakes her up she

1121
00:43:03,910 --> 00:43:02,319
she goes to her window sliding glass

1122
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:03,920
door she goes outside

1123
00:43:08,790 --> 00:43:06,560
and it was three or four occasions she

1124
00:43:12,150 --> 00:43:08,800
saw this triangular craft in

1125
00:43:15,349 --> 00:43:12,160
in the sky and uh on one occasion

1126
00:43:19,109 --> 00:43:15,359
it dropped these metallic uh probes or

1127
00:43:20,550 --> 00:43:19,119
sprinkles into her tree so what we did

1128
00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:20,560
was we took uh

1129
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:22,800
samples of the leaves then we took

1130
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:24,960
control samples from other trees in the

1131
00:43:28,950 --> 00:43:26,560
yard and around the corner

1132
00:43:30,550 --> 00:43:28,960
you know down the street and only the

1133
00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:30,560
ones in her yard

1134
00:43:34,230 --> 00:43:33,200
uh turned out that they had boron on the

1135
00:43:37,750 --> 00:43:34,240
leaves

1136
00:43:39,190 --> 00:43:37,760
and boron is doesn't reflect radar which

1137
00:43:41,270 --> 00:43:39,200
is kind of interesting

1138
00:43:42,230 --> 00:43:41,280
they use it in stealth aircraft they use

1139
00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:42,240
it in paints

1140
00:43:46,550 --> 00:43:45,119
in nuclear reactors but so when she said

1141
00:43:48,550 --> 00:43:46,560
something happened in her tree

1142
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:48,560
something you know did happen because

1143
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:50,880
there were high levels of boron

1144
00:43:55,430 --> 00:43:52,880
one of the other lamp tests showed that

1145
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:55,440
the leaves were subject to high heat

1146
00:43:59,750 --> 00:43:58,160
or radiation they they showed kind of a

1147
00:44:02,950 --> 00:43:59,760
burning on them like

1148
00:44:05,030 --> 00:44:02,960
lasers were used on them and

1149
00:44:06,630 --> 00:44:05,040
how how long did her sighting last and

1150
00:44:08,230 --> 00:44:06,640
how low down

1151
00:44:10,630 --> 00:44:08,240
was the object i mean was it right over

1152
00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:10,640
the trees yeah i'd say it was maybe in

1153
00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:11,520
the area of

1154
00:44:15,990 --> 00:44:14,640
500 feet high was the uh ufo three to

1155
00:44:19,030 --> 00:44:16,000
five hundred feet

1156
00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:19,040
and uh you know that lasted for about 15

1157
00:44:22,950 --> 00:44:20,160
minutes or so

1158
00:44:25,030 --> 00:44:22,960
and you know that that case actually got

1159
00:44:26,950 --> 00:44:25,040
me on the anderson cooper show so

1160
00:44:29,109 --> 00:44:26,960
i don't know how many people in this

1161
00:44:32,550 --> 00:44:29,119
field have been on anderson cooper

1162
00:44:35,829 --> 00:44:32,560
but i was in uh april of 2012

1163
00:44:36,470 --> 00:44:35,839
and and we went into that case and uh

1164
00:44:40,309 --> 00:44:36,480
that

1165
00:44:43,829 --> 00:44:40,319
experience

1166
00:44:46,390 --> 00:44:43,839
because it was a pre-taped show and uh

1167
00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:46,400
joe nichol was the skeptic that was on

1168
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:49,280
and uh you know it was funny that a lot

1169
00:44:54,550 --> 00:44:51,680
of the answers i gave were edited

1170
00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:54,560
out when the show aired 10 days later

1171
00:44:57,270 --> 00:44:55,680
they left this

1172
00:44:58,870 --> 00:44:57,280
they left in basically everything that

1173
00:45:00,870 --> 00:44:58,880
joe nichols said

1174
00:45:02,230 --> 00:45:00,880
but you know on everything joe said

1175
00:45:03,670 --> 00:45:02,240
anderson would say to me

1176
00:45:05,910 --> 00:45:03,680
john what do you got say and i gave some

1177
00:45:07,190 --> 00:45:05,920
good answers you know and they they cut

1178
00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:07,200
out what i said about

1179
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:10,400
uh you know we got into other cases and

1180
00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:13,680
i was talking about the o'hare case and

1181
00:45:17,750 --> 00:45:15,920
you know joe said it was a hole punch

1182
00:45:19,349 --> 00:45:17,760
cloud and i said well that's not

1183
00:45:21,750 --> 00:45:19,359
possible because

1184
00:45:23,589 --> 00:45:21,760
it was 53 degrees that day and it has to

1185
00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:23,599
be freezing temperatures to have a hole

1186
00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:24,400
punch cloud

1187
00:45:28,950 --> 00:45:26,880
well they cut that out and there was one

1188
00:45:30,470 --> 00:45:28,960
point i said something the the whole

1189
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:30,480
audience applauded

1190
00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:32,160
because i said something about the three

1191
00:45:36,230 --> 00:45:33,839
female witnesses we had there

1192
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:36,240
they cut that out uh there was one point

1193
00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:36,960
where

1194
00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:39,359
joe nichols said well they these women

1195
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:41,280
saw the planet jupiter

1196
00:45:45,270 --> 00:45:42,960
and the whole audience broke out

1197
00:45:46,790 --> 00:45:45,280
laughing they dubbed out the laughter i

1198
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:46,800
mean it was so

1199
00:45:51,030 --> 00:45:49,760
obvious they didn't want the ufo uh

1200
00:45:53,349 --> 00:45:51,040
topic to

1201
00:45:54,630 --> 00:45:53,359
look credible and you know one thing i

1202
00:45:56,230 --> 00:45:54,640
did say on that show

1203
00:45:57,990 --> 00:45:56,240
because i had just read it in wired

1204
00:46:00,150 --> 00:45:58,000
magazine was

1205
00:46:02,309 --> 00:46:00,160
you know anderson said the government

1206
00:46:05,349 --> 00:46:02,319
can't keep secrets et cetera et cetera

1207
00:46:08,550 --> 00:46:05,359
and uh you know i gave some examples of

1208
00:46:10,550 --> 00:46:08,560
uh manhattan project the stealth fighter

1209
00:46:11,829 --> 00:46:10,560
and then you know i i said something

1210
00:46:15,430 --> 00:46:11,839
about the nsa

1211
00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:15,440
is uh recording every email every

1212
00:46:18,870 --> 00:46:18,240
every cell phone call every every text

1213
00:46:20,309 --> 00:46:18,880
everything

1214
00:46:21,910 --> 00:46:20,319
and he and you know he kind of shrugged

1215
00:46:24,950 --> 00:46:21,920
it off like not or not

1216
00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:24,960
and uh that story didn't break until a

1217
00:46:29,109 --> 00:46:25,920
year later

1218
00:46:32,069 --> 00:46:29,119
in it was like the spring of 2013. but

1219
00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:32,079
i've got it documented in april of 12

1220
00:46:35,910 --> 00:46:33,839
on the anderson cooper show because i

1221
00:46:38,069 --> 00:46:35,920
had just read it in wired magazine

1222
00:46:38,950 --> 00:46:38,079
that that was going on so it kind of you

1223
00:46:41,430 --> 00:46:38,960
kind of wonder

1224
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:41,440
how much manipulation there is out there

1225
00:46:46,150 --> 00:46:42,400
because

1226
00:46:49,030 --> 00:46:46,160
uh even our congress people and every

1227
00:46:51,589 --> 00:46:49,040
major network tv show said they knew

1228
00:46:54,150 --> 00:46:51,599
nothing about what the nsa was doing

1229
00:46:55,990 --> 00:46:54,160
but um you know i brought it up on

1230
00:46:57,589 --> 00:46:56,000
anderson cooper's show a year before the

1231
00:47:01,270 --> 00:46:57,599
story broke and it's even in

1232
00:47:03,030 --> 00:47:01,280
one of my books so uh but i'm sorry

1233
00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:03,040
yeah what do you think their agenda is

1234
00:47:08,069 --> 00:47:05,760
to not want to talk about it

1235
00:47:10,069 --> 00:47:08,079
the government's agenda the media oh do

1236
00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:10,079
you talk about ufos not talk about ufos

1237
00:47:15,109 --> 00:47:10,720
yeah

1238
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:15,119
with the the government is

1239
00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:17,440
the u.s government is after the

1240
00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:18,960
technology

1241
00:47:23,109 --> 00:47:22,240
absolutely um when you look at the ufo

1242
00:47:26,470 --> 00:47:23,119
field

1243
00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:26,480
basically the united states and the uk

1244
00:47:30,309 --> 00:47:28,480
investigate ufos through their

1245
00:47:32,549 --> 00:47:30,319
departments of defense

1246
00:47:33,510 --> 00:47:32,559
where south america looks at it through

1247
00:47:36,549 --> 00:47:33,520
their faa

1248
00:47:38,790 --> 00:47:36,559
as if it's an air safety issue but you

1249
00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:38,800
know we go after to shoot them down

1250
00:47:43,349 --> 00:47:41,040
and that's still a standing order since

1251
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:43,359
uh 1952 with truman

1252
00:47:47,109 --> 00:47:45,520
if they if you can't talk them down

1253
00:47:49,589 --> 00:47:47,119
shoot them down

1254
00:47:51,829 --> 00:47:49,599
and uh you know you look at china you

1255
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:51,839
look at japan they have ufo reporting

1256
00:47:54,950 --> 00:47:52,480
centers

1257
00:47:56,390 --> 00:47:54,960
and uh so really for us it's it's all

1258
00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:56,400
about getting our hands on the

1259
00:47:59,349 --> 00:47:57,280
technology

1260
00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:59,359
also too i think john you're you're

1261
00:48:04,150 --> 00:48:01,440
quoted as saying here the world is

1262
00:48:05,190 --> 00:48:04,160
neither good or evil it's just

1263
00:48:07,589 --> 00:48:05,200
controlled by

1264
00:48:09,030 --> 00:48:07,599
money and that that certainly has a lot

1265
00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:09,040
yeah that certainly has

1266
00:48:12,549 --> 00:48:11,599
a lot to do with this in the form of the

1267
00:48:15,670 --> 00:48:12,559
uh

1268
00:48:16,710 --> 00:48:15,680
energy and the technology because as we

1269
00:48:19,349 --> 00:48:16,720
know today

1270
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:19,359
big corporations uh pretty much control

1271
00:48:23,829 --> 00:48:20,720
what goes on

1272
00:48:24,870 --> 00:48:23,839
uh in on the on the hill on capitol hill

1273
00:48:26,870 --> 00:48:24,880
i mean it just

1274
00:48:28,710 --> 00:48:26,880
it it boggles the mind to think that the

1275
00:48:31,030 --> 00:48:28,720
bankers and the oil companies

1276
00:48:32,630 --> 00:48:31,040
have so much uh influence in a country

1277
00:48:35,349 --> 00:48:32,640
that's supposed to be uh

1278
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:35,359
you know uh run by the the people it's

1279
00:48:39,510 --> 00:48:36,720
not it's run by

1280
00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:39,520
corporations just as dwight eisenhower

1281
00:48:43,829 --> 00:48:41,280
predicted it would happen

1282
00:48:45,589 --> 00:48:43,839
uh back uh when he was president he said

1283
00:48:49,270 --> 00:48:45,599
to be very leery

1284
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:49,280
of the military industrial complex

1285
00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:52,960
absolutely and uh i i think we would

1286
00:48:56,309 --> 00:48:55,599
really really be surprised how much of

1287
00:48:59,750 --> 00:48:56,319
the news

1288
00:49:02,549 --> 00:48:59,760
is spun and manipulated and written the

1289
00:49:04,870 --> 00:49:02,559
day before it happens uh

1290
00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:04,880
you know i i there's so many things it's

1291
00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:06,960
like you know you look at nbc

1292
00:49:10,870 --> 00:49:08,960
and uh you know they edited out the

1293
00:49:14,069 --> 00:49:10,880
information on trayvon martin

1294
00:49:14,950 --> 00:49:14,079
you just had their number one uh guy on

1295
00:49:18,069 --> 00:49:14,960
television

1296
00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:18,079
you know fabricating a story that his he

1297
00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:20,400
was in a helicopter got shot down

1298
00:49:25,030 --> 00:49:24,160
uh you know i i watched the stock market

1299
00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:25,040
real close

1300
00:49:29,030 --> 00:49:27,440
and for the last two years i mean i'll

1301
00:49:30,790 --> 00:49:29,040
bet my bottom dollar that

1302
00:49:33,750 --> 00:49:30,800
it's all price fixed for the last two

1303
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:33,760
years what what what really scares me is

1304
00:49:37,030 --> 00:49:35,040
how bad would they how much would they

1305
00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:37,040
sell us out for the technology that they

1306
00:49:38,950 --> 00:49:37,440
want

1307
00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:38,960
you know like like abduct as many people

1308
00:49:41,030 --> 00:49:40,319
as you want do whatever you want to do

1309
00:49:43,270 --> 00:49:41,040
to them

1310
00:49:44,870 --> 00:49:43,280
you know experiment them on them all you

1311
00:49:45,829 --> 00:49:44,880
want for hybrids or whatever it is

1312
00:49:48,069 --> 00:49:45,839
they're doing

1313
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:48,079
i think i think that that the fact they

1314
00:49:51,510 --> 00:49:49,359
don't want to acknowledge

1315
00:49:52,950 --> 00:49:51,520
you know anything that's been going on

1316
00:49:54,870 --> 00:49:52,960
all this time it's just

1317
00:49:56,470 --> 00:49:54,880
you know it kind of scares me because

1318
00:49:57,589 --> 00:49:56,480
thinking you know how much would they

1319
00:50:01,430 --> 00:49:57,599
sell out

1320
00:50:05,109 --> 00:50:01,440
you know uh you know their the

1321
00:50:08,069 --> 00:50:05,119
their constituents yeah well you know uh

1322
00:50:09,510 --> 00:50:08,079
it's kind of like a catch 22. every

1323
00:50:11,589 --> 00:50:09,520
every radio show i do

1324
00:50:13,349 --> 00:50:11,599
you know i point the finger at the cia

1325
00:50:16,309 --> 00:50:13,359
because that's where the cover-up

1326
00:50:16,950 --> 00:50:16,319
is but you know i also got to say that i

1327
00:50:19,670 --> 00:50:16,960
i think

1328
00:50:21,510 --> 00:50:19,680
that they do this in some perverted way

1329
00:50:23,990 --> 00:50:21,520
to protect us

1330
00:50:25,910 --> 00:50:24,000
you know get the technology keep this

1331
00:50:27,109 --> 00:50:25,920
thing quiet and they're really trying to

1332
00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:27,119
protect

1333
00:50:31,589 --> 00:50:29,520
america but you know what are you going

1334
00:50:35,510 --> 00:50:31,599
to do if a species shows

1335
00:50:37,589 --> 00:50:35,520
up and they make you an offer and uh

1336
00:50:39,750 --> 00:50:37,599
you know the other choice is if you say

1337
00:50:41,589 --> 00:50:39,760
no well okay we're going to go to this

1338
00:50:42,309 --> 00:50:41,599
china country or we're going to go to

1339
00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:42,319
russia

1340
00:50:46,069 --> 00:50:44,160
and make them the same offer so you got

1341
00:50:46,630 --> 00:50:46,079
to get in bed with the devil you really

1342
00:50:49,349 --> 00:50:46,640
do

1343
00:50:50,230 --> 00:50:49,359
and and you know in a lot of cases i

1344
00:50:51,750 --> 00:50:50,240
think some of this

1345
00:50:54,069 --> 00:50:51,760
is demonic i don't think it's

1346
00:50:56,309 --> 00:50:54,079
extraterrestrial i think it's flat out

1347
00:50:56,710 --> 00:50:56,319
demonic when you talk about abductions

1348
00:50:58,309 --> 00:50:56,720
and

1349
00:51:00,390 --> 00:50:58,319
some of the other stuff going on you

1350
00:51:03,030 --> 00:51:00,400
know some of this is eating

1351
00:51:03,910 --> 00:51:03,040
you know ancient alien stuff uh but it

1352
00:51:05,990 --> 00:51:03,920
seems to me that

1353
00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:06,000
a lot since world war ii with the foo

1354
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:08,640
fired fighters and uh a lot of this

1355
00:51:11,910 --> 00:51:09,359
stuff i think

1356
00:51:14,069 --> 00:51:11,920
is nothing more than end of days demonic

1357
00:51:15,670 --> 00:51:14,079
stuff

1358
00:51:17,270 --> 00:51:15,680
of course now i don't know to me it's

1359
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:17,280
kind of hard to to pin that down you

1360
00:51:19,109 --> 00:51:17,520
know

1361
00:51:21,270 --> 00:51:19,119
we did a book called round trip to hell

1362
00:51:23,430 --> 00:51:21,280
in a flying saucer and we had

1363
00:51:24,390 --> 00:51:23,440
a number of you know serious students of

1364
00:51:26,950 --> 00:51:24,400
the uh

1365
00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:26,960
phenomena debate the issue and to bring

1366
00:51:30,309 --> 00:51:28,480
up the evidence that uh

1367
00:51:31,589 --> 00:51:30,319
there is something very negative about

1368
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:31,599
this and there certainly

1369
00:51:35,270 --> 00:51:33,839
is i mean uh people who have reported

1370
00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:35,280
being abducted

1371
00:51:39,670 --> 00:51:38,480
they have been literally uh stripped of

1372
00:51:41,670 --> 00:51:39,680
everything that they uh

1373
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:41,680
that they own mentally and and

1374
00:51:44,470 --> 00:51:42,960
physically uh

1375
00:51:46,390 --> 00:51:44,480
and you know these objects have the

1376
00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:46,400
ability to change shape as well as the

1377
00:51:49,670 --> 00:51:47,280
occupants

1378
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:49,680
uh they often tell us things that turn

1379
00:51:52,549 --> 00:51:50,400
out to be just

1380
00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:52,559
contrary uh to the information that

1381
00:51:55,750 --> 00:51:53,440
they're uh

1382
00:51:57,750 --> 00:51:55,760
giving us it's really almost impossible

1383
00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:57,760
to say for sure

1384
00:52:02,309 --> 00:52:00,240
uh where this is all uh leading you know

1385
00:52:03,270 --> 00:52:02,319
are there forces of good and forces of

1386
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:03,280
evil

1387
00:52:07,589 --> 00:52:05,760
in the the universe and how is this all

1388
00:52:09,190 --> 00:52:07,599
going to uh to play out

1389
00:52:11,190 --> 00:52:09,200
uh it seems to me that this has been

1390
00:52:13,510 --> 00:52:11,200
going on for a heck of a long time

1391
00:52:14,309 --> 00:52:13,520
and it doesn't really seem to come to

1392
00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:14,319
any

1393
00:52:20,710 --> 00:52:17,680
continuous

1394
00:52:22,870 --> 00:52:20,720
going back to the pages of history

1395
00:52:23,910 --> 00:52:22,880
now i noticed john one of the things

1396
00:52:27,190 --> 00:52:23,920
you've also written

1397
00:52:29,990 --> 00:52:27,200
on is the history of ufo

1398
00:52:30,950 --> 00:52:30,000
as far as art goes what were you able to

1399
00:52:33,430 --> 00:52:30,960
find out about

1400
00:52:34,790 --> 00:52:33,440
that i know there are some uh several

1401
00:52:37,589 --> 00:52:34,800
instances of

1402
00:52:39,670 --> 00:52:37,599
paintings religious paintings where ufos

1403
00:52:42,470 --> 00:52:39,680
apparently have been

1404
00:52:43,030 --> 00:52:42,480
a part of the the background yeah well

1405
00:52:45,109 --> 00:52:43,040
you know i

1406
00:52:46,150 --> 00:52:45,119
i give i don't know five or six

1407
00:52:49,109 --> 00:52:46,160
different lectures

1408
00:52:51,109 --> 00:52:49,119
and i try to every year because i run

1409
00:52:52,630 --> 00:52:51,119
three conferences here in pennsylvania i

1410
00:52:54,790 --> 00:52:52,640
try to create a new

1411
00:52:55,750 --> 00:52:54,800
uh lecture i don't want to say the same

1412
00:52:58,710 --> 00:52:55,760
stuff so

1413
00:52:59,990 --> 00:52:58,720
when ancient aliens came on uh hit the

1414
00:53:02,150 --> 00:53:00,000
scene eight years ago

1415
00:53:04,150 --> 00:53:02,160
whatever it was um and i said you know

1416
00:53:07,670 --> 00:53:04,160
let me let me look into this uh

1417
00:53:09,750 --> 00:53:07,680
ufos and art and history and try to put

1418
00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:09,760
together a presentation on that

1419
00:53:12,950 --> 00:53:11,520
and you know i think most of the stuff i

1420
00:53:15,109 --> 00:53:12,960
put in that presentation

1421
00:53:16,150 --> 00:53:15,119
six years ago a problem has probably all

1422
00:53:18,309 --> 00:53:16,160
been shown on

1423
00:53:20,309 --> 00:53:18,319
ancient aliens but uh you know the

1424
00:53:23,349 --> 00:53:20,319
history of this just goes back

1425
00:53:24,390 --> 00:53:23,359
so far and it makes you laugh when you

1426
00:53:26,549 --> 00:53:24,400
you know you're doing

1427
00:53:29,030 --> 00:53:26,559
an interview or an anderson cooper show

1428
00:53:30,150 --> 00:53:29,040
and it's well it started in roswell in

1429
00:53:33,990 --> 00:53:30,160
1947

1430
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:34,000
no it didn't and uh and that fact as far

1431
00:53:39,349 --> 00:53:36,000
as i'm concerned the modern ufo

1432
00:53:40,390 --> 00:53:39,359
era started in 1942 with the battle of

1433
00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:40,400
la

1434
00:53:44,390 --> 00:53:42,480
because if you look into that one uh you

1435
00:53:44,870 --> 00:53:44,400
know we recovered a craft off the coast

1436
00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:44,880
of

1437
00:53:49,910 --> 00:53:47,280
los angeles and uh we couldn't shoot

1438
00:53:51,349 --> 00:53:49,920
these things down after firing 1400

1439
00:53:52,870 --> 00:53:51,359
rounds at them so

1440
00:53:54,710 --> 00:53:52,880
you know it wasn't even roswell they

1441
00:53:57,030 --> 00:53:54,720
were really good cases uh

1442
00:53:59,670 --> 00:53:57,040
years before roswell but uh when you

1443
00:54:02,150 --> 00:53:59,680
look at the ancient history i mean

1444
00:54:02,950 --> 00:54:02,160
some of these paintings it's you know

1445
00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:02,960
when you were

1446
00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:04,800
the people who made these paintings in

1447
00:54:11,510 --> 00:54:08,160
the 1600s and 1400s they pretty much

1448
00:54:13,349 --> 00:54:11,520
painted what they saw it wasn't the

1449
00:54:15,270 --> 00:54:13,359
you know abstract art they didn't have a

1450
00:54:18,390 --> 00:54:15,280
salvator dolly to

1451
00:54:20,549 --> 00:54:18,400
you know back then and uh you know there

1452
00:54:23,829 --> 00:54:20,559
there are paintings that show

1453
00:54:24,549 --> 00:54:23,839
ufos that are are you know shining a

1454
00:54:26,630 --> 00:54:24,559
light down

1455
00:54:28,549 --> 00:54:26,640
during the birth of jesus there's

1456
00:54:31,109 --> 00:54:28,559
paintings that show the madonna

1457
00:54:32,870 --> 00:54:31,119
with the ufo in the background and you

1458
00:54:34,470 --> 00:54:32,880
know there's a man and his dog looking

1459
00:54:34,950 --> 00:54:34,480
up at it it's actually a mother ship

1460
00:54:37,910 --> 00:54:34,960
with

1461
00:54:39,109 --> 00:54:37,920
a couple of ufos coming out of it and uh

1462
00:54:42,710 --> 00:54:39,119
then you get the rock

1463
00:54:44,390 --> 00:54:42,720
uh drawings and petroglyphs that go back

1464
00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:44,400
thousands of years you know i think the

1465
00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:46,720
ones in africa are ten thousand years

1466
00:54:50,630 --> 00:54:47,520
old and

1467
00:54:54,150 --> 00:54:50,640
same thing in australia so uh you know

1468
00:54:57,430 --> 00:54:54,160
this planet i think has been visited for

1469
00:54:59,109 --> 00:54:57,440
a very long time it's a very rich planet

1470
00:55:01,510 --> 00:54:59,119
and uh you know i read something in one

1471
00:55:03,430 --> 00:55:01,520
of major kehoe's books where

1472
00:55:05,270 --> 00:55:03,440
he kind of made a good example he said

1473
00:55:08,390 --> 00:55:05,280
if you put your hand out

1474
00:55:12,069 --> 00:55:08,400
earth and and your hand would be the uh

1475
00:55:14,549 --> 00:55:12,079
milky way galaxy earth is located

1476
00:55:16,069 --> 00:55:14,559
in like the top digit of your ring

1477
00:55:17,030 --> 00:55:16,079
finger so if you just put your hand out

1478
00:55:19,349 --> 00:55:17,040
and look at it

1479
00:55:20,470 --> 00:55:19,359
that's where we're located so it's a

1480
00:55:23,109 --> 00:55:20,480
launching point

1481
00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:23,119
for those civilizations that can leave

1482
00:55:26,630 --> 00:55:24,400
this galaxy

1483
00:55:27,829 --> 00:55:26,640
and go to another one and they come here

1484
00:55:30,390 --> 00:55:27,839
to refuel

1485
00:55:31,190 --> 00:55:30,400
retool restock do whatever they got to

1486
00:55:32,710 --> 00:55:31,200
do

1487
00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:32,720
and uh you know the other ones that

1488
00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:34,480
don't leave the galaxy

1489
00:55:38,549 --> 00:55:36,240
you know they come here and it's kind of

1490
00:55:40,549 --> 00:55:38,559
a science experiment you know

1491
00:55:42,150 --> 00:55:40,559
it may be in all their textbooks well

1492
00:55:44,390 --> 00:55:42,160
you got to make a visit to earth

1493
00:55:46,069 --> 00:55:44,400
and observe that civilization you know

1494
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:46,079
but you don't interfere

1495
00:55:50,069 --> 00:55:48,240
uh i i think they do with the fear there

1496
00:55:51,670 --> 00:55:50,079
are certain species that do and

1497
00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:51,680
and that's what's in that one book i

1498
00:55:55,829 --> 00:55:53,280
just wrote last year

1499
00:55:57,270 --> 00:55:55,839
an alternative history of mankind well

1500
00:56:00,230 --> 00:55:57,280
when you say that they're demonic

1501
00:56:01,030 --> 00:56:00,240
so what what is that well there is uh

1502
00:56:03,549 --> 00:56:01,040
there is a

1503
00:56:05,510 --> 00:56:03,559
portion of this when i look at

1504
00:56:09,270 --> 00:56:05,520
abductions

1505
00:56:11,510 --> 00:56:09,280
and even cattle mutilations and uh

1506
00:56:12,630 --> 00:56:11,520
i you know this group out there and i

1507
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:12,640
don't know if you've talked to any of

1508
00:56:16,069 --> 00:56:14,400
the people from the free

1509
00:56:18,230 --> 00:56:16,079
organization have you heard about that

1510
00:56:20,630 --> 00:56:18,240
they're looking into abductions

1511
00:56:21,430 --> 00:56:20,640
um but they got a real good lineup of

1512
00:56:24,309 --> 00:56:21,440
people but

1513
00:56:25,109 --> 00:56:24,319
they kind of lean towards the abductions

1514
00:56:27,750 --> 00:56:25,119
being

1515
00:56:28,150 --> 00:56:27,760
uh kind of left-wing liberals that are

1516
00:56:31,349 --> 00:56:28,160
here

1517
00:56:32,309 --> 00:56:31,359
to help us with the environment and free

1518
00:56:34,630 --> 00:56:32,319
technology

1519
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:34,640
and also sounds like a good sounds like

1520
00:56:38,789 --> 00:56:37,200
a good reason for coming here

1521
00:56:40,390 --> 00:56:38,799
if they weren't so frightening they

1522
00:56:43,829 --> 00:56:40,400
weren't so frightening and probing

1523
00:56:45,670 --> 00:56:43,839
yeah there's two camps there's that camp

1524
00:56:48,230 --> 00:56:45,680
that kind of says well you know they're

1525
00:56:50,710 --> 00:56:48,240
here for uh you know all the reasons

1526
00:56:51,510 --> 00:56:50,720
uh to help us and then there's the other

1527
00:56:54,630 --> 00:56:51,520
camp

1528
00:56:58,549 --> 00:56:54,640
that has uh you know dr david jacob

1529
00:57:00,630 --> 00:56:58,559
skye malone uh nick redfearn myself

1530
00:57:02,549 --> 00:57:00,640
uh others that that say well wait a

1531
00:57:04,470 --> 00:57:02,559
minute let's take a look at this

1532
00:57:06,710 --> 00:57:04,480
they're they're they're showing up they

1533
00:57:09,670 --> 00:57:06,720
have the ability to communicate

1534
00:57:10,950 --> 00:57:09,680
but they don't they show up at you know

1535
00:57:13,030 --> 00:57:10,960
after midnight

1536
00:57:15,190 --> 00:57:13,040
and they're in the shadows and they kind

1537
00:57:18,230 --> 00:57:15,200
of stun you

1538
00:57:18,789 --> 00:57:18,240
take you so it's a kidnapping and uh you

1539
00:57:20,950 --> 00:57:18,799
know men

1540
00:57:22,870 --> 00:57:20,960
and women it becomes a rape where they

1541
00:57:25,990 --> 00:57:22,880
you know they're either taking egg or

1542
00:57:27,910 --> 00:57:26,000
or semen and and in some cases the

1543
00:57:29,349 --> 00:57:27,920
actual act is performed and then they

1544
00:57:32,390 --> 00:57:29,359
come back and they take

1545
00:57:33,190 --> 00:57:32,400
uh the fetus i mean how is that a good

1546
00:57:36,309 --> 00:57:33,200
thing

1547
00:57:37,990 --> 00:57:36,319
yeah yeah and and i mean

1548
00:57:40,549 --> 00:57:38,000
the demonic thing when you say that

1549
00:57:42,789 --> 00:57:40,559
because you know because i'm thinking

1550
00:57:43,990 --> 00:57:42,799
that what people think is demonic is

1551
00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:44,000
actually these

1552
00:57:50,150 --> 00:57:47,280
these uh uh aliens well so

1553
00:57:50,950 --> 00:57:50,160
there's an overlap there's absolutely an

1554
00:57:53,670 --> 00:57:50,960
overlap

1555
00:57:54,069 --> 00:57:53,680
and uh but i when i look at some of that

1556
00:57:57,589 --> 00:57:54,079
stuff

1557
00:57:58,390 --> 00:57:57,599
going on and uh you know to me i'm not

1558
00:58:00,910 --> 00:57:58,400
so sure

1559
00:58:02,390 --> 00:58:00,920
certain that some of that is these

1560
00:58:05,750 --> 00:58:02,400
extraterrestrials

1561
00:58:06,789 --> 00:58:05,760
uh you know in the demonic sense i think

1562
00:58:09,190 --> 00:58:06,799
they would

1563
00:58:11,270 --> 00:58:09,200
you know satan would want us to believe

1564
00:58:13,109 --> 00:58:11,280
in extraterrestrials

1565
00:58:14,789 --> 00:58:13,119
because they're going to come here and

1566
00:58:16,390 --> 00:58:14,799
help us and it's almost like you could

1567
00:58:17,910 --> 00:58:16,400
create a religion out of it

1568
00:58:20,150 --> 00:58:17,920
that they're here to give us you know

1569
00:58:21,109 --> 00:58:20,160
all the things we need and superior

1570
00:58:23,510 --> 00:58:21,119
technology

1571
00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:23,520
and what does that do it pulls you away

1572
00:58:26,789 --> 00:58:24,720
from religion

1573
00:58:28,470 --> 00:58:26,799
which would be what satan's goal would

1574
00:58:30,069 --> 00:58:28,480
be you know some people need

1575
00:58:31,990 --> 00:58:30,079
some people need to be pulled away from

1576
00:58:34,549 --> 00:58:32,000
religion yeah i mean

1577
00:58:35,109 --> 00:58:34,559
as we see on the world this stage today

1578
00:58:37,109 --> 00:58:35,119
you know

1579
00:58:38,789 --> 00:58:37,119
i mean could satan be could satan be an

1580
00:58:41,430 --> 00:58:38,799
alien that was left here or

1581
00:58:42,549 --> 00:58:41,440
somebody who like the subterranean

1582
00:58:45,910 --> 00:58:42,559
reptilian

1583
00:58:46,549 --> 00:58:45,920
could he be one of them that was left

1584
00:58:49,109 --> 00:58:46,559
here

1585
00:58:51,430 --> 00:58:49,119
and and just hates us it could be a

1586
00:58:55,270 --> 00:58:51,440
complete uh

1587
00:58:55,990 --> 00:58:55,280
you know misidentification of angels and

1588
00:58:58,870 --> 00:58:56,000
demons

1589
00:59:00,150 --> 00:58:58,880
actually extraterrestrials and the one

1590
00:59:03,349 --> 00:59:00,160
book i wrote actually

1591
00:59:05,670 --> 00:59:03,359
leans that way that it's always been

1592
00:59:07,910 --> 00:59:05,680
them they it's them that we've been

1593
00:59:09,910 --> 00:59:07,920
seeing the extraterrestrials but yeah

1594
00:59:11,670 --> 00:59:09,920
and that when when we were primitive

1595
00:59:12,309 --> 00:59:11,680
people this is what we described it as

1596
00:59:14,309 --> 00:59:12,319
something

1597
00:59:16,630 --> 00:59:14,319
you know right but i still but but you

1598
00:59:18,069 --> 00:59:16,640
know i'm i'm still raised a christian so

1599
00:59:21,270 --> 00:59:18,079
i'm still thinking

1600
00:59:23,910 --> 00:59:21,280
that somewhere because i have to

1601
00:59:24,710 --> 00:59:23,920
because it's just you know part of me

1602
00:59:27,829 --> 00:59:24,720
that jesus

1603
00:59:29,589 --> 00:59:27,839
is somehow an advocate in all this

1604
00:59:30,710 --> 00:59:29,599
so i don't know i'm still trying to i'm

1605
00:59:32,309 --> 00:59:30,720
trying to unravel the statements i'm

1606
00:59:34,309 --> 00:59:32,319
trying to get why i gotta i gotta take

1607
00:59:37,030 --> 00:59:34,319
the other side of the fence i don't i

1608
00:59:38,549 --> 00:59:37,040
don't yeah i i'm not a i'm not an

1609
00:59:40,630 --> 00:59:38,559
atheist i'm a searcher

1610
00:59:42,309 --> 00:59:40,640
and i just don't see the connection with

1611
00:59:49,750 --> 00:59:42,319
the you know with the

1612
00:59:53,910 --> 00:59:51,990
religious mythology you know and i think

1613
00:59:55,990 --> 00:59:53,920
some of it is true and some of it isn't

1614
00:59:57,510 --> 00:59:56,000
and uh everybody's got to make up their

1615
01:00:00,230 --> 00:59:57,520
own uh you know

1616
01:00:00,870 --> 01:00:00,240
mind and when you say communicating with

1617
01:00:02,710 --> 01:00:00,880
us well

1618
01:00:03,990 --> 01:00:02,720
i think that they communicate with us

1619
01:00:06,230 --> 01:00:04,000
but they communicate

1620
01:00:08,069 --> 01:00:06,240
try to communicate with us or only are

1621
01:00:08,549 --> 01:00:08,079
able to communicate with us on a

1622
01:00:10,950 --> 01:00:08,559
different

1623
01:00:12,549 --> 01:00:10,960
level we're looking for like the city

1624
01:00:15,190 --> 01:00:12,559
people are looking for

1625
01:00:16,870 --> 01:00:15,200
uh radio signals well maybe they don't

1626
01:00:17,990 --> 01:00:16,880
like to listen to radio maybe they have

1627
01:00:20,230 --> 01:00:18,000
no interest in that

1628
01:00:21,510 --> 01:00:20,240
maybe they're not on the same frequency

1629
01:00:23,829 --> 01:00:21,520
as um as

1630
01:00:25,270 --> 01:00:23,839
signals uh go digital in the last you

1631
01:00:26,710 --> 01:00:25,280
know 20 30 years

1632
01:00:28,309 --> 01:00:26,720
we're actually sending less and less

1633
01:00:30,150 --> 01:00:28,319
signals into space

1634
01:00:32,069 --> 01:00:30,160
so it's going to get to a point within

1635
01:00:34,230 --> 01:00:32,079
the next 50 years maybe 100 years where

1636
01:00:35,510 --> 01:00:34,240
we're sending no signals at auto space

1637
01:00:37,750 --> 01:00:35,520
because we're all going to be 100

1638
01:00:40,150 --> 01:00:37,760
digital and everything so there's

1639
01:00:41,270 --> 01:00:40,160
there's not going to be a trace of us in

1640
01:00:42,789 --> 01:00:41,280
the cosmos

1641
01:00:44,470 --> 01:00:42,799
and that's us imagine if you're a

1642
01:00:45,589 --> 01:00:44,480
million years advanced there would be no

1643
01:00:47,589 --> 01:00:45,599
signals at all

1644
01:00:49,270 --> 01:00:47,599
if they're that much more advanced so

1645
01:00:49,670 --> 01:00:49,280
seti has been wasting their time for the

1646
01:00:51,510 --> 01:00:49,680
last

1647
01:00:53,349 --> 01:00:51,520
oh yeah that's it's just that it's an

1648
01:00:56,390 --> 01:00:53,359
important thing

1649
01:00:58,069 --> 01:00:56,400
to get a waste of time a complete

1650
01:01:00,069 --> 01:00:58,079
object is to get funding from the

1651
01:01:02,230 --> 01:01:00,079
government or uh

1652
01:01:03,430 --> 01:01:02,240
who whoever else they can they totally

1653
01:01:05,829 --> 01:01:03,440
ignore the

1654
01:01:07,030 --> 01:01:05,839
uh ufos which are below treetop level

1655
01:01:07,750 --> 01:01:07,040
and they're looking out you know a

1656
01:01:10,549 --> 01:01:07,760
million

1657
01:01:12,630 --> 01:01:10,559
uh light years in space where it hardly

1658
01:01:15,109 --> 01:01:12,640
really matters to be honest with you

1659
01:01:15,990 --> 01:01:15,119
and this is the whole attitude of the uh

1660
01:01:18,789 --> 01:01:16,000
the so-called

1661
01:01:19,510 --> 01:01:18,799
academic and scientific community uh

1662
01:01:21,990 --> 01:01:19,520
ignore

1663
01:01:23,750 --> 01:01:22,000
what's right under your nose right and

1664
01:01:27,030 --> 01:01:23,760
get get the funding

1665
01:01:29,589 --> 01:01:27,040
it's all about the money it's all about

1666
01:01:32,150 --> 01:01:29,599
the money yeah but you know that was my

1667
01:01:32,950 --> 01:01:32,160
presentation at the mufon symposium last

1668
01:01:34,549 --> 01:01:32,960
july

1669
01:01:36,230 --> 01:01:34,559
uh you know to go in hand-in-hand with

1670
01:01:37,349 --> 01:01:36,240
what you said just think about your

1671
01:01:40,390 --> 01:01:37,359
cable tv

1672
01:01:42,150 --> 01:01:40,400
once we put cables you know underground

1673
01:01:43,750 --> 01:01:42,160
there's no signals being sent out to

1674
01:01:47,190 --> 01:01:43,760
space and seti

1675
01:01:49,349 --> 01:01:47,200
is the biggest placebo going it's all

1676
01:01:52,950 --> 01:01:49,359
about the funding they can never

1677
01:01:54,390 --> 01:01:52,960
ever admit that not one case was real

1678
01:01:57,270 --> 01:01:54,400
because then they wouldn't get any

1679
01:01:58,630 --> 01:01:57,280
funding and it's it's a city they might

1680
01:02:01,190 --> 01:01:58,640
here i don't know if you know this but

1681
01:02:03,589 --> 01:02:01,200
frank drake who founded seti

1682
01:02:04,230 --> 01:02:03,599
well back uh i don't remember the exact

1683
01:02:07,190 --> 01:02:04,240
year

1684
01:02:09,190 --> 01:02:07,200
he was in charge of he wasn't in charge

1685
01:02:13,270 --> 01:02:09,200
he was second in command of project

1686
01:02:17,029 --> 01:02:13,280
osma and they put signals out

1687
01:02:19,510 --> 01:02:17,039
and got a return contact was made

1688
01:02:20,950 --> 01:02:19,520
so the air force immediately shut down

1689
01:02:24,069 --> 01:02:20,960
project osma

1690
01:02:27,430 --> 01:02:24,079
moved it to arecibo puerto rico

1691
01:02:29,349 --> 01:02:27,440
and it's a true story and they put uh

1692
01:02:31,510 --> 01:02:29,359
then took frank drake who was on that

1693
01:02:34,630 --> 01:02:31,520
project and rewarded him

1694
01:02:35,589 --> 01:02:34,640
with seti which was initially funded by

1695
01:02:38,470 --> 01:02:35,599
congress

1696
01:02:40,950 --> 01:02:38,480
so frank drake was part of a program

1697
01:02:43,670 --> 01:02:40,960
that made contact and it was shut down

1698
01:02:45,670 --> 01:02:43,680
sent to arecibo under air force control

1699
01:02:47,670 --> 01:02:45,680
so that none of that information gets

1700
01:02:49,589 --> 01:02:47,680
out so seti is completely phony

1701
01:02:52,390 --> 01:02:49,599
but getting back to what i was saying

1702
01:02:55,510 --> 01:02:52,400
about angels uh ufos and demons

1703
01:02:55,829 --> 01:02:55,520
or angels and ufos uh you know i read a

1704
01:02:59,190 --> 01:02:55,839
book

1705
01:03:00,950 --> 01:02:59,200
recently by nick redfearn and uh i i've

1706
01:03:01,430 --> 01:03:00,960
been having a lot of paranormal type

1707
01:03:03,430 --> 01:03:01,440
stuff

1708
01:03:05,190 --> 01:03:03,440
happen in my house it's happened for

1709
01:03:08,390 --> 01:03:05,200
quite a while so

1710
01:03:10,390 --> 01:03:08,400
i've got interest you know in that but

1711
01:03:12,390 --> 01:03:10,400
and then the first book i wrote first

1712
01:03:13,109 --> 01:03:12,400
two were you know end time prophecy

1713
01:03:15,589 --> 01:03:13,119
books so

1714
01:03:17,589 --> 01:03:15,599
i i have nick redfearn come and speak at

1715
01:03:19,750 --> 01:03:17,599
my pittsburgh conference in

1716
01:03:21,190 --> 01:03:19,760
last november just a few months ago so i

1717
01:03:24,470 --> 01:03:21,200
picked up his book called

1718
01:03:25,430 --> 01:03:24,480
final events and what an interesting

1719
01:03:28,470 --> 01:03:25,440
book

1720
01:03:30,470 --> 01:03:28,480
it's based on information

1721
01:03:31,670 --> 01:03:30,480
given to the nebraska mufon state

1722
01:03:34,950 --> 01:03:31,680
director who

1723
01:03:38,150 --> 01:03:34,960
is a uh he's a pastor and

1724
01:03:39,589 --> 01:03:38,160
it talks about a group a branch of the

1725
01:03:41,829 --> 01:03:39,599
cia

1726
01:03:42,870 --> 01:03:41,839
called the collins elites have you ever

1727
01:03:44,710 --> 01:03:42,880
heard about that

1728
01:03:45,990 --> 01:03:44,720
oh yeah well we've uh interviewed nick

1729
01:03:48,309 --> 01:03:46,000
on the subject and i've written

1730
01:03:49,510 --> 01:03:48,319
a couple of my books too yeah it's uh

1731
01:03:51,349 --> 01:03:49,520
you know but again

1732
01:03:53,430 --> 01:03:51,359
you know when you say the military and

1733
01:03:55,670 --> 01:03:53,440
the government there seem to be

1734
01:03:57,109 --> 01:03:55,680
a lot of fractions in there too where

1735
01:03:58,470 --> 01:03:57,119
some people believe that they're very

1736
01:03:58,789 --> 01:03:58,480
negative and other people think that

1737
01:04:01,029 --> 01:03:58,799
they're

1738
01:04:03,029 --> 01:04:01,039
they've come here for you know uh

1739
01:04:05,670 --> 01:04:03,039
sweetness and light their purposes so

1740
01:04:07,589 --> 01:04:05,680
even among the military that's not an

1741
01:04:10,069 --> 01:04:07,599
official policy that's where people

1742
01:04:11,829 --> 01:04:10,079
uh have their own specific interest in

1743
01:04:13,510 --> 01:04:11,839
it and that's the path that they

1744
01:04:15,190 --> 01:04:13,520
decided to take because certainly a lot

1745
01:04:15,910 --> 01:04:15,200
of people in the government and the

1746
01:04:19,029 --> 01:04:15,920
military

1747
01:04:21,910 --> 01:04:19,039
would be part of this uh christian

1748
01:04:23,750 --> 01:04:21,920
background and christian uh movement

1749
01:04:25,270 --> 01:04:23,760
yeah and uh you know i thought it made a

1750
01:04:28,069 --> 01:04:25,280
lot of sense at

1751
01:04:30,309 --> 01:04:28,079
how they're trying to you know control

1752
01:04:31,750 --> 01:04:30,319
these demonic powers i i don't agree

1753
01:04:34,390 --> 01:04:31,760
with the concept that

1754
01:04:36,150 --> 01:04:34,400
there are no ufos and it's all demonic

1755
01:04:39,430 --> 01:04:36,160
you know that was kind of the uh

1756
01:04:41,910 --> 01:04:39,440
the uh the content in the book but uh

1757
01:04:43,670 --> 01:04:41,920
some of it made sense that the there

1758
01:04:45,190 --> 01:04:43,680
would be a branch of the cia that would

1759
01:04:47,750 --> 01:04:45,200
be looking into this but

1760
01:04:48,309 --> 01:04:47,760
you know my personal belief is that some

1761
01:04:50,710 --> 01:04:48,319
of this

1762
01:04:51,910 --> 01:04:50,720
is definitely when you look at these

1763
01:04:53,190 --> 01:04:51,920
abductions

1764
01:04:55,029 --> 01:04:53,200
and some of the horrible things that

1765
01:04:56,950 --> 01:04:55,039
happen uh you know they make a point

1766
01:04:58,150 --> 01:04:56,960
that even the cattle mutilations that

1767
01:05:01,349 --> 01:04:58,160
those are

1768
01:05:03,910 --> 01:05:01,359
being done as almost uh sacrificial

1769
01:05:05,589 --> 01:05:03,920
ritual ritual you know is what they're

1770
01:05:09,029 --> 01:05:05,599
doing with the with the cattle

1771
01:05:11,990 --> 01:05:09,039
to satisfy these the demonic entities

1772
01:05:13,510 --> 01:05:12,000
um i don't know so so i might you know

1773
01:05:14,150 --> 01:05:13,520
might the way i look at it because i've

1774
01:05:17,029 --> 01:05:14,160
had

1775
01:05:18,630 --> 01:05:17,039
paranormal stuff happen uh you know over

1776
01:05:20,789 --> 01:05:18,640
the past 25 years

1777
01:05:22,150 --> 01:05:20,799
well what what what sort of paranormal

1778
01:05:24,950 --> 01:05:22,160
things well uh

1779
01:05:26,710 --> 01:05:24,960
you know it started out years ago when i

1780
01:05:31,190 --> 01:05:26,720
moved to oklahoma just

1781
01:05:34,549 --> 01:05:31,200
some voices uh heavy heavy footsteps

1782
01:05:36,230 --> 01:05:34,559
from there we moved to new jersey and

1783
01:05:38,309 --> 01:05:36,240
that house was like the amityville

1784
01:05:40,950 --> 01:05:38,319
horror it was the incredible

1785
01:05:41,510 --> 01:05:40,960
uh black shadows moving across the

1786
01:05:43,990 --> 01:05:41,520
ceiling

1787
01:05:45,589 --> 01:05:44,000
everybody in the house saw it family

1788
01:05:48,870 --> 01:05:45,599
members

1789
01:05:50,950 --> 01:05:48,880
you know a dark cloud moving uh people

1790
01:05:51,750 --> 01:05:50,960
saying they hear voices and a baby

1791
01:05:53,910 --> 01:05:51,760
crying

1792
01:05:55,349 --> 01:05:53,920
and and um you know my son would say

1793
01:05:57,430 --> 01:05:55,359
he'd lay down at night

1794
01:05:58,710 --> 01:05:57,440
and in the wall a voice would say i'm

1795
01:06:02,470 --> 01:05:58,720
going to get you

1796
01:06:04,870 --> 01:06:02,480
uh you know he he actually saw

1797
01:06:06,870 --> 01:06:04,880
uh he was brushing his teeth and he

1798
01:06:07,510 --> 01:06:06,880
sourced this creature walk across the

1799
01:06:09,510 --> 01:06:07,520
door

1800
01:06:11,270 --> 01:06:09,520
both him and his cat saw it and they

1801
01:06:14,309 --> 01:06:11,280
both turned and looked

1802
01:06:16,230 --> 01:06:14,319
and uh it was just a very creepy house

1803
01:06:18,230 --> 01:06:16,240
so then from there i moved here

1804
01:06:20,470 --> 01:06:18,240
and it seems to follow me because it

1805
01:06:22,309 --> 01:06:20,480
doesn't follow my kids thank god

1806
01:06:23,750 --> 01:06:22,319
but you know in the same thing tapping

1807
01:06:25,190 --> 01:06:23,760
on the walls and

1808
01:06:27,349 --> 01:06:25,200
and different things have happened here

1809
01:06:28,789 --> 01:06:27,359
but it seemed to have escalated the last

1810
01:06:32,710 --> 01:06:28,799
couple of years

1811
01:06:34,630 --> 01:06:32,720
and uh one night we uh we went to i was

1812
01:06:36,150 --> 01:06:34,640
on the board of juvenile diabetes so we

1813
01:06:38,789 --> 01:06:36,160
came home from the gala

1814
01:06:40,870 --> 01:06:38,799
and we went to bed so my daughter my son

1815
01:06:42,150 --> 01:06:40,880
and his fiance in another room and then

1816
01:06:43,990 --> 01:06:42,160
myself in my room

1817
01:06:45,829 --> 01:06:44,000
and my daughter comes bursting into my

1818
01:06:47,349 --> 01:06:45,839
room at three in the morning says dad

1819
01:06:49,510 --> 01:06:47,359
you're not gonna believe what happened

1820
01:06:50,549 --> 01:06:49,520
i went downstairs to get a bottle of

1821
01:06:52,150 --> 01:06:50,559
water and i

1822
01:06:53,990 --> 01:06:52,160
didn't have any in the refrigerator so i

1823
01:06:55,750 --> 01:06:54,000
went to the basement refrigerator

1824
01:06:57,990 --> 01:06:55,760
and she said something was standing

1825
01:06:58,950 --> 01:06:58,000
behind me she said i could feel it all

1826
01:07:01,589 --> 01:06:58,960
the hair on my

1827
01:07:03,750 --> 01:07:01,599
neck went up she says i went upstairs i

1828
01:07:04,870 --> 01:07:03,760
laid down in bed and this thing laid on

1829
01:07:07,190 --> 01:07:04,880
top of me

1830
01:07:07,910 --> 01:07:07,200
and she said it went into my body i

1831
01:07:11,270 --> 01:07:07,920
couldn't move

1832
01:07:13,270 --> 01:07:11,280
it was painful and she said i could hear

1833
01:07:15,109 --> 01:07:13,280
all these voices in my head

1834
01:07:16,710 --> 01:07:15,119
and it pulls out of me she said it was

1835
01:07:18,870 --> 01:07:16,720
the most painful thing

1836
01:07:20,230 --> 01:07:18,880
and then she says it happens again so

1837
01:07:23,029 --> 01:07:20,240
she says this time she

1838
01:07:25,270 --> 01:07:23,039
she can move her eyes and in the mirror

1839
01:07:28,230 --> 01:07:25,280
she sees like the shadow man standing

1840
01:07:28,630 --> 01:07:28,240
in the doorway and in her head she hears

1841
01:07:32,309 --> 01:07:28,640
like

1842
01:07:35,190 --> 01:07:32,319
says she hears this

1843
01:07:35,589 --> 01:07:35,200
shadow man say to whatever's in her when

1844
01:07:38,870 --> 01:07:35,599
you're

1845
01:07:40,150 --> 01:07:38,880
done with her i want to try out the

1846
01:07:43,029 --> 01:07:40,160
other two

1847
01:07:44,710 --> 01:07:43,039
meaning my son and his fiance now the

1848
01:07:46,230 --> 01:07:44,720
way she worded it i know she didn't make

1849
01:07:48,789 --> 01:07:46,240
that up that was just

1850
01:07:50,390 --> 01:07:48,799
you know so so that happened uh then

1851
01:07:52,549 --> 01:07:50,400
there's been other things that that have

1852
01:07:54,069 --> 01:07:52,559
happened with loud bangs and

1853
01:07:56,069 --> 01:07:54,079
really came to a head recently and

1854
01:07:57,589 --> 01:07:56,079
that's why i'm looking at more of the

1855
01:08:00,870 --> 01:07:57,599
demonic side is

1856
01:08:01,990 --> 01:08:00,880
in june i'm here in the house i go

1857
01:08:04,069 --> 01:08:02,000
upstairs

1858
01:08:05,510 --> 01:08:04,079
and there's this horrible smell coming

1859
01:08:07,510 --> 01:08:05,520
out of the bathroom

1860
01:08:09,270 --> 01:08:07,520
i thought i have 108 pound doberman i

1861
01:08:13,109 --> 01:08:09,280
thought he went in there and took

1862
01:08:15,109 --> 01:08:13,119
did his business but uh you know i i

1863
01:08:16,870 --> 01:08:15,119
thought yeah well that's what it

1864
01:08:18,470 --> 01:08:16,880
initially smelled like it then i'm

1865
01:08:22,309 --> 01:08:18,480
smelling it i said this smells like

1866
01:08:24,789 --> 01:08:22,319
rotting flesh you know and uh

1867
01:08:26,789 --> 01:08:24,799
it was horrible so i put the fan on i go

1868
01:08:27,990 --> 01:08:26,799
downstairs and i'm watching the baseball

1869
01:08:30,309 --> 01:08:28,000
game

1870
01:08:31,669 --> 01:08:30,319
my dog comes over to me and he always

1871
01:08:32,789 --> 01:08:31,679
says either has this thing where he lays

1872
01:08:35,990 --> 01:08:32,799
across my lap

1873
01:08:38,229 --> 01:08:36,000
so all of a sudden on the wall inside

1874
01:08:40,709 --> 01:08:38,239
the house you know boom

1875
01:08:42,550 --> 01:08:40,719
it's the loudest bang you can imagine

1876
01:08:44,950 --> 01:08:42,560
there's a picture on the wall it kind of

1877
01:08:47,590 --> 01:08:44,960
flips up like an inch off the wall

1878
01:08:50,550 --> 01:08:47,600
i have these two indian headdresses on

1879
01:08:53,749 --> 01:08:50,560
the sides they kind of blow to the side

1880
01:08:55,510 --> 01:08:53,759
uh so then from there i go upstairs when

1881
01:08:57,829 --> 01:08:55,520
the baseball game's over

1882
01:08:58,630 --> 01:08:57,839
i check that bathroom still smells now

1883
01:09:02,789 --> 01:08:58,640
it

1884
01:09:03,829 --> 01:09:02,799
another bathroom on the three floors of

1885
01:09:06,709 --> 01:09:03,839
my house

1886
01:09:07,189 --> 01:09:06,719
only that bathroom smells upstairs right

1887
01:09:11,030 --> 01:09:07,199
so

1888
01:09:14,229 --> 01:09:11,040
bedroom

1889
01:09:15,829 --> 01:09:14,239
my dog all of a sudden gets up walks

1890
01:09:18,789 --> 01:09:15,839
down the hallway

1891
01:09:19,349 --> 01:09:18,799
he looks up the adam's attic stairs and

1892
01:09:22,630 --> 01:09:19,359
goes

1893
01:09:23,829 --> 01:09:22,640
absolutely berserk barking growling i

1894
01:09:26,789 --> 01:09:23,839
mean you know when a dog

1895
01:09:28,550 --> 01:09:26,799
sees something so uh you know i go and

1896
01:09:29,990 --> 01:09:28,560
look i don't see anything but i still

1897
01:09:32,550 --> 01:09:30,000
smell the smell

1898
01:09:33,189 --> 01:09:32,560
so then i i go in my bedroom my dog

1899
01:09:35,349 --> 01:09:33,199
sleeps

1900
01:09:38,229 --> 01:09:35,359
right at the foot foot of the bed

1901
01:09:39,990 --> 01:09:38,239
there's a chair there so he claims that

1902
01:09:41,349 --> 01:09:40,000
so i put the news on so i could still

1903
01:09:44,709 --> 01:09:41,359
see the dog's head

1904
01:09:45,510 --> 01:09:44,719
and again there's this loud bang inside

1905
01:09:47,669 --> 01:09:45,520
my back

1906
01:09:48,789 --> 01:09:47,679
and both me and the dog our heads turn

1907
01:09:50,390 --> 01:09:48,799
and we look at it

1908
01:09:52,149 --> 01:09:50,400
same thing as down in you know

1909
01:09:52,390 --> 01:09:52,159
downstairs during the baseball game when

1910
01:09:56,149 --> 01:09:52,400
it

1911
01:09:58,550 --> 01:09:56,159
kind of flipped up so uh that

1912
01:09:59,990 --> 01:09:58,560
that kind of scared me because uh my

1913
01:10:02,550 --> 01:10:00,000
daughter uh

1914
01:10:03,110 --> 01:10:02,560
saw that shadow person and it pulled out

1915
01:10:05,430 --> 01:10:03,120
of her

1916
01:10:06,630 --> 01:10:05,440
and you know so so that happened to the

1917
01:10:09,990 --> 01:10:06,640
kids and

1918
01:10:12,070 --> 01:10:10,000
then what happened uh it was april of uh

1919
01:10:14,070 --> 01:10:12,080
2014. you're saying the dog with the

1920
01:10:16,630 --> 01:10:14,080
with the um with the seller steps

1921
01:10:17,510 --> 01:10:16,640
with the attic steps oh okay so so the

1922
01:10:20,790 --> 01:10:17,520
dog was

1923
01:10:23,669 --> 01:10:20,800
uh was uh barking

1924
01:10:24,149 --> 01:10:23,679
viciously uh you know at the attic and

1925
01:10:27,430 --> 01:10:24,159
then

1926
01:10:30,870 --> 01:10:27,440
what happened was uh we go to bed

1927
01:10:33,990 --> 01:10:30,880
and again there's this big loud bang

1928
01:10:36,229 --> 01:10:34,000
uh against my wall and both you know the

1929
01:10:38,390 --> 01:10:36,239
dog heard it because his head turned

1930
01:10:40,149 --> 01:10:38,400
my head turned so both times that the

1931
01:10:41,590 --> 01:10:40,159
big bang happened we both heard it so

1932
01:10:44,149 --> 01:10:41,600
it's not something that's

1933
01:10:45,510 --> 01:10:44,159
psychological because the dog heard it

1934
01:10:48,070 --> 01:10:45,520
also

1935
01:10:49,189 --> 01:10:48,080
and uh you know what happened just right

1936
01:10:51,830 --> 01:10:49,199
before that also

1937
01:10:53,830 --> 01:10:51,840
a couple of months earlier i have this

1938
01:10:54,630 --> 01:10:53,840
home theater so i have this projector on

1939
01:10:57,270 --> 01:10:54,640
the ceiling

1940
01:10:57,990 --> 01:10:57,280
and i'm talking to my son and his fiance

1941
01:11:00,470 --> 01:10:58,000
and we see

1942
01:11:01,669 --> 01:11:00,480
this i don't know what it was the light

1943
01:11:04,390 --> 01:11:01,679
of the projector

1944
01:11:05,189 --> 01:11:04,400
we see this thing snake across the

1945
01:11:07,750 --> 01:11:05,199
ceiling

1946
01:11:09,350 --> 01:11:07,760
you know some sort of a spirit and it

1947
01:11:10,709 --> 01:11:09,360
looked almost like a snake the way it

1948
01:11:13,030 --> 01:11:10,719
moved across the ceiling

1949
01:11:15,189 --> 01:11:13,040
and my son says to me what is that i

1950
01:11:18,470 --> 01:11:15,199
said i have no idea what that was

1951
01:11:21,990 --> 01:11:18,480
but uh so these things have happened

1952
01:11:22,310 --> 01:11:22,000
and uh it really concerned me you know

1953
01:11:25,990 --> 01:11:22,320
so

1954
01:11:28,470 --> 01:11:26,000
happened to me is it demonic

1955
01:11:30,149 --> 01:11:28,480
uh is it you know extraterrestrial i

1956
01:11:32,470 --> 01:11:30,159
mean one night i woke up

1957
01:11:33,350 --> 01:11:32,480
and i see this person standing down the

1958
01:11:36,470 --> 01:11:33,360
hallway

1959
01:11:39,189 --> 01:11:36,480
and i'm awake i mean the attic light

1960
01:11:40,630 --> 01:11:39,199
seems to be on so the stairs are backlit

1961
01:11:42,790 --> 01:11:40,640
there's this

1962
01:11:44,310 --> 01:11:42,800
like six and a half seven foot tall

1963
01:11:47,350 --> 01:11:44,320
person standing there

1964
01:11:49,910 --> 01:11:47,360
it looked like the the the uh creatures

1965
01:11:50,709 --> 01:11:49,920
in in district nine they had almost no

1966
01:11:54,070 --> 01:11:50,719
waste

1967
01:11:57,590 --> 01:11:54,080
really long arms and uh

1968
01:12:00,310 --> 01:11:57,600
like a uh like a helmet on you know so

1969
01:12:02,229 --> 01:12:00,320
i'm looking at it and i'm awake i

1970
01:12:04,790 --> 01:12:02,239
crawled to the foot of the bed

1971
01:12:06,470 --> 01:12:04,800
so now it's like 10 15 seconds i see

1972
01:12:08,950 --> 01:12:06,480
this guy standing there

1973
01:12:09,830 --> 01:12:08,960
so i kind of jump up put the light on

1974
01:12:13,030 --> 01:12:09,840
and he's gone

1975
01:12:15,430 --> 01:12:13,040
and the backlight is off also uh from

1976
01:12:17,189 --> 01:12:15,440
from the uh attic you know so i don't

1977
01:12:18,790 --> 01:12:17,199
know what that was so i'm trying to

1978
01:12:20,229 --> 01:12:18,800
did you start having these experiences

1979
01:12:21,430 --> 01:12:20,239
that when you started to investigate the

1980
01:12:23,910 --> 01:12:21,440
ufos

1981
01:12:26,630 --> 01:12:23,920
exactly what i was going to ask no

1982
01:12:28,870 --> 01:12:26,640
because they started in 1989 when i

1983
01:12:30,550 --> 01:12:28,880
moved to oklahoma and uh you know it's

1984
01:12:33,110 --> 01:12:30,560
almost like the poltergeist

1985
01:12:34,950 --> 01:12:33,120
movie i read an article that they built

1986
01:12:38,070 --> 01:12:34,960
it was i had a brand new house

1987
01:12:38,550 --> 01:12:38,080
and the subdivision next to us they

1988
01:12:40,550 --> 01:12:38,560
found

1989
01:12:42,149 --> 01:12:40,560
indian you know burial ground they had

1990
01:12:45,030 --> 01:12:42,159
already built homes there

1991
01:12:46,470 --> 01:12:45,040
but it started in oklahoma but when i

1992
01:12:47,990 --> 01:12:46,480
got to new jersey

1993
01:12:49,510 --> 01:12:48,000
you know it's still i was not involved

1994
01:12:51,830 --> 01:12:49,520
in ufos i was

1995
01:12:52,950 --> 01:12:51,840
you know not a member of mufon had no

1996
01:12:55,270 --> 01:12:52,960
interest in it so

1997
01:12:56,470 --> 01:12:55,280
in my mind that stuff was all spirit

1998
01:12:59,590 --> 01:12:56,480
world you know

1999
01:13:02,950 --> 01:12:59,600
uh but so but you know then

2000
01:13:06,149 --> 01:13:02,960
you know also when you look at ufos

2001
01:13:09,430 --> 01:13:06,159
the uh i joined mufon in 98

2002
01:13:13,030 --> 01:13:09,440
in 99 i went to my first uh mufon

2003
01:13:16,310 --> 01:13:13,040
symposium so uh i come home

2004
01:13:18,149 --> 01:13:16,320
and and and i'm at the symposium i

2005
01:13:20,229 --> 01:13:18,159
i meet this woman there i just you know

2006
01:13:20,870 --> 01:13:20,239
i saw her in the audience i made sure

2007
01:13:22,470 --> 01:13:20,880
that i

2008
01:13:24,070 --> 01:13:22,480
kind of went over to her at lunchtime

2009
01:13:27,750 --> 01:13:24,080
and i'm speaking to her

2010
01:13:31,510 --> 01:13:27,760
and a very strange looking person uh

2011
01:13:34,630 --> 01:13:31,520
very pale bloodshot gray bloodshot eyes

2012
01:13:36,870 --> 01:13:34,640
very just unusual looking person

2013
01:13:38,709 --> 01:13:36,880
and uh it's funny we had lunch went back

2014
01:13:41,189 --> 01:13:38,719
to the symposium she was gone

2015
01:13:43,110 --> 01:13:41,199
you know so i personally i think she

2016
01:13:45,990 --> 01:13:43,120
might have been a hybrid you know

2017
01:13:47,669 --> 01:13:46,000
so uh i get home from the symposium was

2018
01:13:50,870 --> 01:13:47,679
fourth of july weekend

2019
01:13:53,189 --> 01:13:50,880
and uh all of a sudden for that whole

2020
01:13:55,430 --> 01:13:53,199
week i have the weirdest dreams

2021
01:13:56,790 --> 01:13:55,440
and you know again i just joined mufon i

2022
01:13:59,990 --> 01:13:56,800
didn't know a lot about

2023
01:14:00,950 --> 01:14:00,000
ufos i have out of body experience i

2024
01:14:02,630 --> 01:14:00,960
could see the

2025
01:14:04,310 --> 01:14:02,640
top of my house and my car in the

2026
01:14:07,669 --> 01:14:04,320
driveway uh

2027
01:14:08,470 --> 01:14:07,679
i'm waking up like every hour i can't

2028
01:14:10,630 --> 01:14:08,480
sleep

2029
01:14:11,910 --> 01:14:10,640
like something is in the room with me

2030
01:14:14,070 --> 01:14:11,920
you know i i

2031
01:14:16,149 --> 01:14:14,080
one time i woke up i swung my fist at

2032
01:14:17,350 --> 01:14:16,159
the air i hit the headboard i almost

2033
01:14:20,070 --> 01:14:17,360
broke my wrist

2034
01:14:22,229 --> 01:14:20,080
i'm having these dreams of this hairy

2035
01:14:25,430 --> 01:14:22,239
creature standing next to the bed

2036
01:14:28,149 --> 01:14:25,440
another dream is this kid

2037
01:14:29,910 --> 01:14:28,159
he looks like he's about 10 years old

2038
01:14:32,550 --> 01:14:29,920
but he's got these big

2039
01:14:34,390 --> 01:14:32,560
popeye forearms with the the bone of the

2040
01:14:38,390 --> 01:14:34,400
elbow really sticks out

2041
01:14:39,590 --> 01:14:38,400
uh no hair and my dog i have my doberman

2042
01:14:41,830 --> 01:14:39,600
i've always had dopamine

2043
01:14:44,310 --> 01:14:41,840
my dopamine is kind of floating in the

2044
01:14:46,470 --> 01:14:44,320
air and he's poking him in the ribs

2045
01:14:47,990 --> 01:14:46,480
and i keep yelling at the kid stop

2046
01:14:50,229 --> 01:14:48,000
poking my dog but he keeps

2047
01:14:51,910 --> 01:14:50,239
you know keeps poking him so it was it

2048
01:14:52,870 --> 01:14:51,920
was like weird what was that i don't

2049
01:14:55,350 --> 01:14:52,880
know if that was

2050
01:14:56,950 --> 01:14:55,360
uh an abduction you know my girlfriend

2051
01:14:57,510 --> 01:14:56,960
actually went to the website and looked

2052
01:15:00,149 --> 01:14:57,520
up

2053
01:15:01,350 --> 01:15:00,159
what happened in the area that night and

2054
01:15:02,870 --> 01:15:01,360
the night that i got home in the

2055
01:15:04,870 --> 01:15:02,880
out-of-body experience

2056
01:15:06,630 --> 01:15:04,880
and she says to me john there was a ufo

2057
01:15:09,750 --> 01:15:06,640
sighting in state college there was

2058
01:15:11,830 --> 01:15:09,760
another one in morgantown west virginia

2059
01:15:13,750 --> 01:15:11,840
your house is in direct line of those

2060
01:15:15,990 --> 01:15:13,760
two cases that happened

2061
01:15:17,830 --> 01:15:16,000
that night that i got home so you know i

2062
01:15:18,870 --> 01:15:17,840
don't know so i don't know if that stuff

2063
01:15:20,950 --> 01:15:18,880
is an abduction

2064
01:15:21,990 --> 01:15:20,960
i don't know if this stuff is demonic

2065
01:15:25,110 --> 01:15:22,000
but i i

2066
01:15:26,390 --> 01:15:25,120
i met this woman in august and i mean i

2067
01:15:28,870 --> 01:15:26,400
don't know how many

2068
01:15:30,470 --> 01:15:28,880
women you know that can recite the

2069
01:15:32,470 --> 01:15:30,480
exorcism rights

2070
01:15:34,070 --> 01:15:32,480
but you know i just kind of you know i i

2071
01:15:35,510 --> 01:15:34,080
do maybe you

2072
01:15:36,950 --> 01:15:35,520
yeah you actually did oh yeah you

2073
01:15:39,590 --> 01:15:36,960
actually that's kind of that's kind of

2074
01:15:41,910 --> 01:15:39,600
most of my friends actually yeah

2075
01:15:42,870 --> 01:15:41,920
hey you know but john i was just

2076
01:15:44,470 --> 01:15:42,880
thinking i i

2077
01:15:45,990 --> 01:15:44,480
i did a book a couple of years ago

2078
01:15:48,070 --> 01:15:46,000
called ufo terrorists

2079
01:15:49,990 --> 01:15:48,080
curse of the men in black in a lot of

2080
01:15:51,830 --> 01:15:50,000
the earlier cases of the men in black

2081
01:15:52,630 --> 01:15:51,840
you know showing up to silence ufo

2082
01:15:55,590 --> 01:15:52,640
witnesses

2083
01:15:56,310 --> 01:15:55,600
we had a lot of uh instances of of this

2084
01:15:59,110 --> 01:15:56,320
like

2085
01:16:00,310 --> 01:15:59,120
uh entities appearing in in houses and

2086
01:16:02,950 --> 01:16:00,320
in warning people

2087
01:16:04,550 --> 01:16:02,960
and uh driving individuals off the road

2088
01:16:07,510 --> 01:16:04,560
and then the cars would

2089
01:16:08,630 --> 01:16:07,520
disappear uh even the albert k bender

2090
01:16:11,110 --> 01:16:08,640
who was uh

2091
01:16:12,310 --> 01:16:11,120
headed one of the first ufo groups the

2092
01:16:13,910 --> 01:16:12,320
bureau

2093
01:16:15,430 --> 01:16:13,920
put out a magazine called space a

2094
01:16:18,830 --> 01:16:15,440
newsletter uh he

2095
01:16:21,910 --> 01:16:18,840
he reported that these mib these tall

2096
01:16:23,110 --> 01:16:21,920
lanky uh beings dressed in black uh with

2097
01:16:27,669 --> 01:16:23,120
the

2098
01:16:30,630 --> 01:16:27,679
head and so forth

2099
01:16:31,590 --> 01:16:30,640
came into their uh his home and actually

2100
01:16:34,790 --> 01:16:31,600
warned him

2101
01:16:37,270 --> 01:16:34,800
about discussing the ufo topic he was

2102
01:16:39,350 --> 01:16:37,280
told that he had come too close to

2103
01:16:40,950 --> 01:16:39,360
the explanation for ufos as if there's

2104
01:16:43,030 --> 01:16:40,960
only one right

2105
01:16:45,110 --> 01:16:43,040
and and that he should stop talking

2106
01:16:47,189 --> 01:16:45,120
about it and we had a lot of cases where

2107
01:16:48,870 --> 01:16:47,199
people were being molested just like you

2108
01:16:49,430 --> 01:16:48,880
described and there was one instance

2109
01:16:53,350 --> 01:16:49,440
where

2110
01:16:55,430 --> 01:16:53,360
a australian researcher john stewart

2111
01:16:57,189 --> 01:16:55,440
reported that he was almost thrown down

2112
01:16:59,350 --> 01:16:57,199
an escalator in a large

2113
01:17:00,390 --> 01:16:59,360
uh department store by an invisible

2114
01:17:03,270 --> 01:17:00,400
being so

2115
01:17:05,830 --> 01:17:03,280
this has happened to to a lot of people

2116
01:17:07,910 --> 01:17:05,840
in fact even in my family my sister had

2117
01:17:09,830 --> 01:17:07,920
some of the same things that you uh

2118
01:17:11,110 --> 01:17:09,840
described with the voices and sounds

2119
01:17:13,830 --> 01:17:11,120
coming from the basement

2120
01:17:14,390 --> 01:17:13,840
and from an abandoned well and the the

2121
01:17:17,510 --> 01:17:14,400
children

2122
01:17:18,870 --> 01:17:17,520
seeing some sort of being uh dressed in

2123
01:17:20,790 --> 01:17:18,880
coveralls in the back uh

2124
01:17:23,990 --> 01:17:20,800
in the back uh uh area of the house

2125
01:17:27,830 --> 01:17:26,630
no no no uh no this was actually down

2126
01:17:29,590 --> 01:17:27,840
the um

2127
01:17:31,830 --> 01:17:29,600
down the road maybe a couple of miles

2128
01:17:32,229 --> 01:17:31,840
but it did seem to follow them around i

2129
01:17:35,110 --> 01:17:32,239
mean

2130
01:17:36,950 --> 01:17:35,120
my sister always seemed to be connected

2131
01:17:39,910 --> 01:17:36,960
to this in fact it seems to run

2132
01:17:41,510 --> 01:17:39,920
it seemed to have run in the family my

2133
01:17:42,149 --> 01:17:41,520
grandfather on my father's side of the

2134
01:17:44,149 --> 01:17:42,159
family

2135
01:17:45,510 --> 01:17:44,159
actually had an encounter with a

2136
01:17:47,270 --> 01:17:45,520
headless horseman

2137
01:17:49,270 --> 01:17:47,280
and it wasn't halloween or anything like

2138
01:17:49,990 --> 01:17:49,280
that but he would he would never talk

2139
01:17:52,550 --> 01:17:50,000
about it

2140
01:17:54,310 --> 01:17:52,560
uh because he was a good baptist and he

2141
01:17:56,229 --> 01:17:54,320
thought it was uh demonic

2142
01:17:58,630 --> 01:17:56,239
but then on the other hand at the age of

2143
01:18:00,870 --> 01:17:58,640
three uh my life might have been saved

2144
01:18:04,550 --> 01:18:00,880
by a guardian uh

2145
01:18:06,709 --> 01:18:04,560
angel we were driving along a a back uh

2146
01:18:07,669 --> 01:18:06,719
mountainous road on the way to kentucky

2147
01:18:09,510 --> 01:18:07,679
to kentucky

2148
01:18:11,030 --> 01:18:09,520
that's where my aunt and uncle lived you

2149
01:18:12,709 --> 01:18:11,040
know my father's brother

2150
01:18:14,070 --> 01:18:12,719
and uh it was getting it was getting

2151
01:18:14,950 --> 01:18:14,080
very late and it was getting very

2152
01:18:17,910 --> 01:18:14,960
overcast

2153
01:18:19,750 --> 01:18:17,920
he was getting foggy actually and my

2154
01:18:21,910 --> 01:18:19,760
mother insisted that my father

2155
01:18:23,830 --> 01:18:21,920
immediately stop at the side of the uh

2156
01:18:25,669 --> 01:18:23,840
the road because she was afraid of

2157
01:18:27,110 --> 01:18:25,679
you know oncoming traffic and so forth

2158
01:18:30,070 --> 01:18:27,120
not being able to see it

2159
01:18:30,470 --> 01:18:30,080
and my father said no no no uh it was

2160
01:18:32,149 --> 01:18:30,480
only

2161
01:18:33,590 --> 01:18:32,159
you know 100 miles or so to go and he

2162
01:18:35,830 --> 01:18:33,600
was getting tired and he just wanted to

2163
01:18:38,149 --> 01:18:35,840
drive on not park on the road

2164
01:18:39,830 --> 01:18:38,159
anyway my mother being the forceful lady

2165
01:18:42,550 --> 01:18:39,840
that she was my father stopped

2166
01:18:43,990 --> 01:18:42,560
stopped and they parked well when the

2167
01:18:46,790 --> 01:18:44,000
the sun rose in the morning

2168
01:18:47,910 --> 01:18:46,800
and the fog broke it turned out that we

2169
01:18:51,189 --> 01:18:47,920
were just on the

2170
01:18:52,149 --> 01:18:51,199
edge of a um a cliff and i would have

2171
01:18:54,470 --> 01:18:52,159
been

2172
01:18:55,350 --> 01:18:54,480
dead meat for the buzzards down in the

2173
01:18:57,830 --> 01:18:55,360
ravine

2174
01:18:58,390 --> 01:18:57,840
if it wasn't for something telling my uh

2175
01:19:00,790 --> 01:18:58,400
mother

2176
01:19:02,630 --> 01:19:00,800
to have my dad stop the car immediately

2177
01:19:04,790 --> 01:19:02,640
so you know as we go through life we

2178
01:19:07,430 --> 01:19:04,800
find that there is negative and there is

2179
01:19:08,630 --> 01:19:07,440
positive throughout us uh in you know in

2180
01:19:11,030 --> 01:19:08,640
the universe

2181
01:19:12,070 --> 01:19:11,040
and some call them demons and some call

2182
01:19:14,630 --> 01:19:12,080
them spirits and

2183
01:19:15,510 --> 01:19:14,640
uh some are just not decided uh what

2184
01:19:17,030 --> 01:19:15,520
they are but

2185
01:19:18,790 --> 01:19:17,040
a lot of people have reported these

2186
01:19:21,030 --> 01:19:18,800
experiences i know i

2187
01:19:22,229 --> 01:19:21,040
i've often gone out and interviewed

2188
01:19:24,310 --> 01:19:22,239
people who have had

2189
01:19:25,830 --> 01:19:24,320
uh close encounters and then gotten back

2190
01:19:28,709 --> 01:19:25,840
in touch with them

2191
01:19:29,590 --> 01:19:28,719
later on and they will have had a series

2192
01:19:32,870 --> 01:19:29,600
of poltergeists

2193
01:19:34,630 --> 01:19:32,880
phenomena it's like the ufos uh you know

2194
01:19:36,470 --> 01:19:34,640
what were seen outdoors but all these

2195
01:19:39,110 --> 01:19:36,480
strange things would start suddenly

2196
01:19:39,590 --> 01:19:39,120
to come into their home yeah i mean it's

2197
01:19:42,709 --> 01:19:39,600
uh

2198
01:19:45,189 --> 01:19:42,719
it's an amazing topic that you know i

2199
01:19:48,709 --> 01:19:45,199
had no interest in really prior to

2200
01:19:50,550 --> 01:19:48,719
40 years old so the ufos

2201
01:19:52,709 --> 01:19:50,560
uh none of this actually you know i was

2202
01:19:54,229 --> 01:19:52,719
kind of like a comic-con

2203
01:19:56,470 --> 01:19:54,239
you know i collected the horror

2204
01:19:57,669 --> 01:19:56,480
magazines famous monsters of film land

2205
01:20:00,229 --> 01:19:57,679
that type of stuff and

2206
01:20:01,110 --> 01:20:00,239
i seem to got drawn into this uh yeah

2207
01:20:02,709 --> 01:20:01,120
really no

2208
01:20:04,790 --> 01:20:02,719
and most of the people in this like you

2209
01:20:06,629 --> 01:20:04,800
talk to any mufon state director

2210
01:20:07,830 --> 01:20:06,639
they'll tell you at 10 years old they

2211
01:20:11,030 --> 01:20:07,840
were reading every

2212
01:20:13,030 --> 01:20:11,040
you know yeah magazines

2213
01:20:14,470 --> 01:20:13,040
i had no interest in really in any of

2214
01:20:16,950 --> 01:20:14,480
that you know i collected some

2215
01:20:17,750 --> 01:20:16,960
comic books and stuff but uh you know

2216
01:20:20,629 --> 01:20:17,760
but i kind of

2217
01:20:21,990 --> 01:20:20,639
got pulled into it and uh when you talk

2218
01:20:24,070 --> 01:20:22,000
to somebody

2219
01:20:25,110 --> 01:20:24,080
who's never had any of this happen no

2220
01:20:27,590 --> 01:20:25,120
spiritual stuff

2221
01:20:29,270 --> 01:20:27,600
no poltergeist stuff no ufo interest

2222
01:20:29,669 --> 01:20:29,280
they look at you like you're nuts you

2223
01:20:31,990 --> 01:20:29,679
know

2224
01:20:33,270 --> 01:20:32,000
they really they actually do it's just

2225
01:20:35,910 --> 01:20:33,280
it's amazing how

2226
01:20:37,350 --> 01:20:35,920
some people seem to be open to this and

2227
01:20:40,390 --> 01:20:37,360
have experiences

2228
01:20:41,750 --> 01:20:40,400
others nothing at all hey i i notice

2229
01:20:44,629 --> 01:20:41,760
here that you own a

2230
01:20:46,790 --> 01:20:44,639
mexican restaurant called flying salsa

2231
01:20:47,270 --> 01:20:46,800
well that was something i tried uh i

2232
01:20:50,390 --> 01:20:47,280
don't

2233
01:20:52,470 --> 01:20:50,400
up let's say

2234
01:20:54,149 --> 01:20:52,480
now but i thought that was such a cool

2235
01:20:56,149 --> 01:20:54,159
uh idea

2236
01:20:57,350 --> 01:20:56,159
to have a mexican restaurant called

2237
01:20:59,590 --> 01:20:57,360
flying salsa

2238
01:21:01,430 --> 01:20:59,600
out of this world mexican food so you

2239
01:21:01,750 --> 01:21:01,440
know what we end up doing now is that

2240
01:21:04,229 --> 01:21:01,760
our

2241
01:21:06,149 --> 01:21:04,239
conferences we uh you know we got this

2242
01:21:07,750 --> 01:21:06,159
big banner that says that and

2243
01:21:09,270 --> 01:21:07,760
where we serve the food for lunch and

2244
01:21:10,390 --> 01:21:09,280
stuff you know it wasn't like

2245
01:21:13,350 --> 01:21:10,400
copywriting like

2246
01:21:14,070 --> 01:21:13,360
uh writing a book you know you you can't

2247
01:21:17,350 --> 01:21:14,080
like uh

2248
01:21:19,270 --> 01:21:17,360
copyright that name you you have like 18

2249
01:21:21,189 --> 01:21:19,280
months to put a restaurant in place

2250
01:21:22,629 --> 01:21:21,199
and then you know that's the end of that

2251
01:21:23,830 --> 01:21:22,639
you know but i just thought it was a

2252
01:21:25,430 --> 01:21:23,840
cool

2253
01:21:27,350 --> 01:21:25,440
name we did have another fellow i

2254
01:21:30,550 --> 01:21:27,360
remember years ago he since the

2255
01:21:32,149 --> 01:21:30,560
deceased miguel who had a mexican

2256
01:21:35,350 --> 01:21:32,159
restaurant in

2257
01:21:38,629 --> 01:21:35,360
reno and he had the ufo pictures and all

2258
01:21:41,669 --> 01:21:38,639
over the place and he once tried to

2259
01:21:43,430 --> 01:21:41,679
put together a ufo conference and got me

2260
01:21:47,030 --> 01:21:43,440
to be the uh

2261
01:21:50,790 --> 01:21:47,040
the the mc he picked the local

2262
01:21:52,550 --> 01:21:50,800
rodeo venue which was uh a place that

2263
01:21:54,390 --> 01:21:52,560
seated like six thousand people

2264
01:21:56,310 --> 01:21:54,400
kind of indoors and outdoors well the

2265
01:21:58,310 --> 01:21:56,320
pigeons were flying overhead

2266
01:22:00,070 --> 01:21:58,320
and and the rafters was falling down on

2267
01:22:01,830 --> 01:22:00,080
the uh the speakers which uh

2268
01:22:04,550 --> 01:22:01,840
i guess uh the number of people in

2269
01:22:07,830 --> 01:22:04,560
attendance were maybe about 150 or so

2270
01:22:09,990 --> 01:22:07,840
and he tried to fill a giant ufo uh

2271
01:22:11,270 --> 01:22:10,000
balloon with helium and it never quite

2272
01:22:14,310 --> 01:22:11,280
got off the ground

2273
01:22:17,189 --> 01:22:14,320
we had a lot of good speakers but uh it

2274
01:22:19,590 --> 01:22:17,199
the cow palace was just not the place to

2275
01:22:20,470 --> 01:22:19,600
have a ufo uh conference i'm afraid you

2276
01:22:22,390 --> 01:22:20,480
know it just

2277
01:22:24,229 --> 01:22:22,400
just didn't just didn't work and there

2278
01:22:25,510 --> 01:22:24,239
have been some strange ufo conferences

2279
01:22:27,590 --> 01:22:25,520
over the uh

2280
01:22:29,030 --> 01:22:27,600
the years now how did your conference

2281
01:22:30,950 --> 01:22:29,040
turn out this year

2282
01:22:32,550 --> 01:22:30,960
oh good you know it's funny ours have

2283
01:22:35,030 --> 01:22:32,560
gotten better every year

2284
01:22:36,709 --> 01:22:35,040
so this will be our eighth year of doing

2285
01:22:38,870 --> 01:22:36,719
them in pennsylvania we do

2286
01:22:41,350 --> 01:22:38,880
erie pennsylvania which is coming up in

2287
01:22:43,990 --> 01:22:41,360
may and then october is

2288
01:22:45,669 --> 01:22:44,000
philly and then november is pittsburgh

2289
01:22:46,950 --> 01:22:45,679
and uh you know the crowds get a little

2290
01:22:49,510 --> 01:22:46,960
bigger each time

2291
01:22:50,470 --> 01:22:49,520
but you know even when they say that a

2292
01:22:53,110 --> 01:22:50,480
good crowd

2293
01:22:55,750 --> 01:22:53,120
for us is 300. you know you know what i

2294
01:22:57,750 --> 01:22:55,760
did i did pittsburgh i did a car i

2295
01:23:00,550 --> 01:22:57,760
i would i can't say i was the originator

2296
01:23:03,110 --> 01:23:00,560
of ufo uh conferences and shows because

2297
01:23:04,470 --> 01:23:03,120
actually the first one was held in a

2298
01:23:08,149 --> 01:23:04,480
hotel in

2299
01:23:10,229 --> 01:23:08,159
los angeles in 1952

2300
01:23:11,510 --> 01:23:10,239
i believe max miller was the organizer

2301
01:23:14,070 --> 01:23:11,520
now max miller

2302
01:23:14,790 --> 01:23:14,080
put out a little uh magazine during the

2303
01:23:16,790 --> 01:23:14,800
50s

2304
01:23:18,550 --> 01:23:16,800
called saucers it was actually one of

2305
01:23:21,990 --> 01:23:18,560
the uh the more professional

2306
01:23:23,669 --> 01:23:22,000
printed of zines in those uh days

2307
01:23:25,350 --> 01:23:23,679
uh anyway he had a conference and i

2308
01:23:26,629 --> 01:23:25,360
guess it had about a thousand people and

2309
01:23:28,070 --> 01:23:26,639
over the years

2310
01:23:30,149 --> 01:23:28,080
you know there's been big conferences

2311
01:23:31,910 --> 01:23:30,159
and small conferences the largest one

2312
01:23:33,669 --> 01:23:31,920
that i was affiliated with was the one

2313
01:23:36,470 --> 01:23:33,679
that jim mosley put together

2314
01:23:37,030 --> 01:23:36,480
in 1967 at the hotel commodore in new

2315
01:23:39,430 --> 01:23:37,040
york

2316
01:23:40,870 --> 01:23:39,440
it was the largest indoor conference it

2317
01:23:42,950 --> 01:23:40,880
attracted about uh

2318
01:23:45,430 --> 01:23:42,960
12 000 people over the course of the

2319
01:23:49,030 --> 01:23:45,440
weekend and there's never been anything

2320
01:23:52,470 --> 01:23:49,040
like that again

2321
01:23:52,870 --> 01:23:52,480
at least in a inside uh you know a venue

2322
01:23:56,149 --> 01:23:52,880
but

2323
01:23:57,189 --> 01:23:56,159
i did try pittsburgh and we were on am

2324
01:23:59,669 --> 01:23:57,199
pittsburgh uh

2325
01:24:00,229 --> 01:23:59,679
with a different speaker uh every day of

2326
01:24:02,950 --> 01:24:00,239
the week

2327
01:24:04,709 --> 01:24:02,960
just before the uh the conference and uh

2328
01:24:08,390 --> 01:24:04,719
i think we had the show at the y

2329
01:24:10,709 --> 01:24:08,400
and we had 150 people or so you know

2330
01:24:12,709 --> 01:24:10,719
we promoted it we promoted it oh this

2331
01:24:14,310 --> 01:24:12,719
was 25 years ago

2332
01:24:17,270 --> 01:24:14,320
uh you know we promoted it pretty

2333
01:24:19,590 --> 01:24:17,280
heavily but the public just

2334
01:24:21,430 --> 01:24:19,600
then wasn't i think uh you know that

2335
01:24:23,910 --> 01:24:21,440
into it uh

2336
01:24:25,030 --> 01:24:23,920
yet you know it's sometimes you win and

2337
01:24:26,390 --> 01:24:25,040
sometimes you lose but

2338
01:24:28,149 --> 01:24:26,400
at least you have you have a pretty

2339
01:24:30,070 --> 01:24:28,159
strong base being that there

2340
01:24:31,270 --> 01:24:30,080
probably are quite a few mufon members

2341
01:24:34,070 --> 01:24:31,280
in in

2342
01:24:35,189 --> 01:24:34,080
pennsylvania yeah i mean i've got about

2343
01:24:38,310 --> 01:24:35,199
170

2344
01:24:40,310 --> 01:24:38,320
uh mufon members in pa but you know

2345
01:24:41,830 --> 01:24:40,320
it's funny i you know i said in one of

2346
01:24:43,910 --> 01:24:41,840
my books in my lectures that

2347
01:24:44,950 --> 01:24:43,920
you know the cia has been behind this

2348
01:24:47,910 --> 01:24:44,960
whole uh

2349
01:24:48,790 --> 01:24:47,920
clamping down on on ufology and you look

2350
01:24:51,270 --> 01:24:48,800
at the best

2351
01:24:52,149 --> 01:24:51,280
ufo conferences now i don't care which

2352
01:24:53,830 --> 01:24:52,159
one it is

2353
01:24:55,910 --> 01:24:53,840
they really don't get more than about

2354
01:24:59,189 --> 01:24:55,920
400 450 people

2355
01:25:00,070 --> 01:24:59,199
per day to show up but yet the san diego

2356
01:25:03,110 --> 01:25:00,080
comic con

2357
01:25:06,310 --> 01:25:03,120
gets 200 000 people so

2358
01:25:07,270 --> 01:25:06,320
amazing can you imagine if the cia had

2359
01:25:09,990 --> 01:25:07,280
targeted

2360
01:25:10,790 --> 01:25:10,000
comic books in the 1950s well i think

2361
01:25:12,629 --> 01:25:10,800
they did

2362
01:25:14,550 --> 01:25:12,639
or somebody did right didn't they try to

2363
01:25:17,350 --> 01:25:14,560
outlaw comic books there for a while

2364
01:25:19,350 --> 01:25:17,360
or yeah at a sensor board or something

2365
01:25:19,669 --> 01:25:19,360
that only made it more popular i think

2366
01:25:23,910 --> 01:25:19,679
uh

2367
01:25:27,030 --> 01:25:23,920
successful with

2368
01:25:27,350 --> 01:25:27,040
trying to kill ufos but you know there's

2369
01:25:29,830 --> 01:25:27,360
no

2370
01:25:30,390 --> 01:25:29,840
we talked about this uh on sky watchers

2371
01:25:31,910 --> 01:25:30,400
on one of

2372
01:25:34,470 --> 01:25:31,920
uh angel's other programs a couple of

2373
01:25:35,030 --> 01:25:34,480
weeks ago there is very little crossover

2374
01:25:38,390 --> 01:25:35,040
perhaps

2375
01:25:38,870 --> 01:25:38,400
none between comic uh the book people

2376
01:25:46,870 --> 01:25:38,880
and

2377
01:25:48,709 --> 01:25:46,880
saying though i think it's saying more

2378
01:25:50,790 --> 01:25:48,719
that that people would rather

2379
01:25:52,550 --> 01:25:50,800
go to comic-con and and look at all

2380
01:25:54,470 --> 01:25:52,560
these these uh

2381
01:25:56,390 --> 01:25:54,480
these things for entertainment that

2382
01:25:57,910 --> 01:25:56,400
actually delve into anything real

2383
01:26:00,070 --> 01:25:57,920
yeah but understand also that a lot of

2384
01:26:00,950 --> 01:26:00,080
the stuff that we that we see in comic

2385
01:26:04,070 --> 01:26:00,960
books for example

2386
01:26:06,229 --> 01:26:04,080
has a lot of lore in it uh yes

2387
01:26:08,310 --> 01:26:06,239
just tied with ufology tied with

2388
01:26:09,910 --> 01:26:08,320
conspiracies tied with paranormal

2389
01:26:11,510 --> 01:26:09,920
uh you can look at captain america for

2390
01:26:12,550 --> 01:26:11,520
example and it's tied in with the aliens

2391
01:26:14,629 --> 01:26:12,560
and all kinds of stuff

2392
01:26:15,590 --> 01:26:14,639
i mean that's all over the comic book

2393
01:26:16,870 --> 01:26:15,600
universe

2394
01:26:18,950 --> 01:26:16,880
so i mean they draw a lot of their

2395
01:26:21,270 --> 01:26:18,960
mythology from a lot of the older shows

2396
01:26:22,950 --> 01:26:21,280
well well i mean look at look at the the

2397
01:26:24,470 --> 01:26:22,960
movie men in black it was based on a

2398
01:26:26,629 --> 01:26:24,480
comic book with the same title

2399
01:26:27,510 --> 01:26:26,639
when actually uh albuquerque bender and

2400
01:26:28,790 --> 01:26:27,520
john keel

2401
01:26:30,470 --> 01:26:28,800
is where they got most of their

2402
01:26:30,950 --> 01:26:30,480
information for but they fictionalized

2403
01:26:32,950 --> 01:26:30,960
it and

2404
01:26:34,149 --> 01:26:32,960
ordered it down and fictionalized this

2405
01:26:36,709 --> 01:26:34,159
word though

2406
01:26:37,669 --> 01:26:36,719
but it made it silly yeah i mean that

2407
01:26:39,750 --> 01:26:37,679
that's what i would say

2408
01:26:40,709 --> 01:26:39,760
let's try to make a comment yeah yeah

2409
01:26:42,629 --> 01:26:40,719
yeah but

2410
01:26:43,910 --> 01:26:42,639
you know i mean a lot a lot of the

2411
01:26:46,229 --> 01:26:43,920
movies

2412
01:26:47,510 --> 01:26:46,239
at least the current crop of uh you know

2413
01:26:54,149 --> 01:26:47,520
movies like paul

2414
01:26:59,110 --> 01:26:57,510
i think it's adam sandler yeah that was

2415
01:27:01,030 --> 01:26:59,120
said that the neighborhood

2416
01:27:02,629 --> 01:27:01,040
yeah yeah that's right yeah just make it

2417
01:27:05,189 --> 01:27:02,639
let's just make it silly and

2418
01:27:07,110 --> 01:27:05,199
uh people will have a good laugh at it

2419
01:27:09,590 --> 01:27:07,120
but you know it's funny uh

2420
01:27:10,470 --> 01:27:09,600
when i do do you know they'll ask me in

2421
01:27:13,830 --> 01:27:10,480
pennsylvania

2422
01:27:17,270 --> 01:27:13,840
to be a speaker and have a table at a uh

2423
01:27:19,590 --> 01:27:17,280
horicon you know and uh there is no

2424
01:27:20,709 --> 01:27:19,600
interest those people have no interest

2425
01:27:22,629 --> 01:27:20,719
in ufos

2426
01:27:24,950 --> 01:27:22,639
i'll have all my books there and my

2427
01:27:27,110 --> 01:27:24,960
lecture dvds and stuff and

2428
01:27:27,990 --> 01:27:27,120
i'm lucky i sell one or two books the

2429
01:27:30,310 --> 01:27:28,000
whole weekend

2430
01:27:32,310 --> 01:27:30,320
absolutely i i had a fellow there's a

2431
01:27:35,669 --> 01:27:32,320
fellow out in um

2432
01:27:38,149 --> 01:27:35,679
tucson who has a weekly public access

2433
01:27:38,950 --> 01:27:38,159
show and it's on ufos but he owns a

2434
01:27:41,270 --> 01:27:38,960
comic book

2435
01:27:42,070 --> 01:27:41,280
store and a place that sells you know uh

2436
01:27:43,990 --> 01:27:42,080
mod uh

2437
01:27:45,750 --> 01:27:44,000
toy figurines and models and things like

2438
01:27:47,350 --> 01:27:45,760
that you know and uh

2439
01:27:49,350 --> 01:27:47,360
i tried to get him to carry my books and

2440
01:27:50,950 --> 01:27:49,360
he said no because he would lose his

2441
01:27:53,510 --> 01:27:50,960
comic book customers

2442
01:27:55,590 --> 01:27:53,520
yeah if he ever brought in any uh ufo

2443
01:27:57,510 --> 01:27:55,600
literature and books and stuff like that

2444
01:27:59,270 --> 01:27:57,520
and that's just the way it goes because

2445
01:28:00,229 --> 01:27:59,280
the comic book of the science fiction

2446
01:28:03,750 --> 01:28:00,239
people

2447
01:28:06,070 --> 01:28:03,760
i i hate to say this but they are

2448
01:28:08,629 --> 01:28:06,080
ignorant of the facts and also too they

2449
01:28:11,030 --> 01:28:08,639
are too easily swayed by

2450
01:28:11,830 --> 01:28:11,040
what they see as the icons in the giants

2451
01:28:13,750 --> 01:28:11,840
in the field

2452
01:28:15,189 --> 01:28:13,760
you know it's like magicians like

2453
01:28:18,390 --> 01:28:15,199
houdini and in

2454
01:28:20,390 --> 01:28:18,400
the unamazing randy who

2455
01:28:21,750 --> 01:28:20,400
you know who tell everybody well there's

2456
01:28:22,709 --> 01:28:21,760
nothing to this at all they've never

2457
01:28:25,030 --> 01:28:22,719
investigated

2458
01:28:26,629 --> 01:28:25,040
this you know i shared an office space

2459
01:28:29,910 --> 01:28:26,639
with the amazing randy

2460
01:28:30,229 --> 01:28:29,920
uh back in the 60s and and 70s he had no

2461
01:28:31,990 --> 01:28:30,239
wind

2462
01:28:33,750 --> 01:28:32,000
he had a radio show he took over for

2463
01:28:34,470 --> 01:28:33,760
long john and he had guests on about the

2464
01:28:36,390 --> 01:28:34,480
subject

2465
01:28:37,750 --> 01:28:36,400
but he had no interest in anything

2466
01:28:40,149 --> 01:28:37,760
except entertainment

2467
01:28:41,430 --> 01:28:40,159
and getting his name in print so if he

2468
01:28:43,990 --> 01:28:41,440
could say you know like

2469
01:28:44,950 --> 01:28:44,000
there's no ufos or yuri geller is making

2470
01:28:47,270 --> 01:28:44,960
this all up and

2471
01:28:48,310 --> 01:28:47,280
and and so forth to get attention and

2472
01:28:49,510 --> 01:28:48,320
that's what he's done and that's what

2473
01:28:52,709 --> 01:28:49,520
these skeptics

2474
01:28:55,350 --> 01:28:52,719
never really to bother

2475
01:28:56,390 --> 01:28:55,360
investigating anything i remember years

2476
01:28:59,430 --> 01:28:56,400
and years ago

2477
01:29:01,110 --> 01:28:59,440
uh uh john fuller who wrote uh incident

2478
01:29:02,390 --> 01:29:01,120
at exeter in the interrupted journey

2479
01:29:04,709 --> 01:29:02,400
about betty and barney hill

2480
01:29:05,990 --> 01:29:04,719
was on maybe it was meet the press or

2481
01:29:07,830 --> 01:29:06,000
something it was a very

2482
01:29:09,110 --> 01:29:07,840
you know very high brow with a show like

2483
01:29:10,950 --> 01:29:09,120
on sunday morning because

2484
01:29:12,310 --> 01:29:10,960
this was when there was a huge amount of

2485
01:29:15,430 --> 01:29:12,320
ufo activity

2486
01:29:17,510 --> 01:29:15,440
and he was on with um donald

2487
01:29:18,709 --> 01:29:17,520
menzel and they were talking about ufos

2488
01:29:19,350 --> 01:29:18,719
for a half an hour and this side and the

2489
01:29:22,070 --> 01:29:19,360
other thing

2490
01:29:23,510 --> 01:29:22,080
and donald menzel didn't even know where

2491
01:29:25,189 --> 01:29:23,520
exeter was

2492
01:29:27,030 --> 01:29:25,199
i mean like you get these people on

2493
01:29:30,470 --> 01:29:27,040
there and they don't do

2494
01:29:32,390 --> 01:29:30,480
the most minimal amount of uh research

2495
01:29:34,310 --> 01:29:32,400
and of course they're so hostile that

2496
01:29:34,790 --> 01:29:34,320
the the witnesses won't even talk to

2497
01:29:36,310 --> 01:29:34,800
them

2498
01:29:37,669 --> 01:29:36,320
you know there's one thing hey you know

2499
01:29:38,070 --> 01:29:37,679
i can be skeptical about what you're

2500
01:29:40,470 --> 01:29:38,080
saying

2501
01:29:41,350 --> 01:29:40,480
uh john and you know i don't agree with

2502
01:29:43,430 --> 01:29:41,360
everything that the

2503
01:29:45,030 --> 01:29:43,440
the uh the first guest we had laurie

2504
01:29:46,229 --> 01:29:45,040
have to say but i don't have to be

2505
01:29:48,790 --> 01:29:46,239
hostile about it

2506
01:29:49,990 --> 01:29:48,800
you know i mean and i don't have to call

2507
01:29:52,310 --> 01:29:50,000
name-calling

2508
01:29:53,750 --> 01:29:52,320
is a part of what they do that's the

2509
01:29:56,070 --> 01:29:53,760
only thing that they can

2510
01:29:57,830 --> 01:29:56,080
that they can say if they've got nothing

2511
01:30:00,229 --> 01:29:57,840
else to say they could say you're fat or

2512
01:30:01,510 --> 01:30:00,239
or or whatever it is you know it it's

2513
01:30:03,910 --> 01:30:01,520
it's just a uh

2514
01:30:05,990 --> 01:30:03,920
it's like an abbott and costello routine

2515
01:30:08,310 --> 01:30:06,000
or maybe more like a laurel and hardy or

2516
01:30:09,830 --> 01:30:08,320
something like that

2517
01:30:11,669 --> 01:30:09,840
yeah well you know when i was on that

2518
01:30:13,510 --> 01:30:11,679
anderson cooper show and joe nickell was

2519
01:30:14,390 --> 01:30:13,520
on there he he did the same thing you

2520
01:30:16,390 --> 01:30:14,400
know to the

2521
01:30:19,189 --> 01:30:16,400
we had three witnesses there and two

2522
01:30:20,790 --> 01:30:19,199
were young girls like 22 years old and

2523
01:30:21,510 --> 01:30:20,800
of course he's asking him were you doing

2524
01:30:22,870 --> 01:30:21,520
drugs and

2525
01:30:24,390 --> 01:30:22,880
you know i think what you would do when

2526
01:30:25,110 --> 01:30:24,400
you were drinking or doing drugs and

2527
01:30:27,990 --> 01:30:25,120
then you saw

2528
01:30:28,709 --> 01:30:28,000
something and uh you know they they try

2529
01:30:32,149 --> 01:30:28,719
to just

2530
01:30:33,430 --> 01:30:32,159
apply logic and they never ever look

2531
01:30:35,430 --> 01:30:33,440
into the cases and

2532
01:30:37,669 --> 01:30:35,440
and that's that's exactly what you run

2533
01:30:39,669 --> 01:30:37,679
into with skeptics so now have you uh

2534
01:30:40,790 --> 01:30:39,679
you know i remember uh hearing that

2535
01:30:42,550 --> 01:30:40,800
there were quite a few

2536
01:30:44,390 --> 01:30:42,560
bigfoot sightings in pennsylvania that

2537
01:30:45,990 --> 01:30:44,400
might have been associated with ufos

2538
01:30:47,669 --> 01:30:46,000
have you ever had people call you about

2539
01:30:50,629 --> 01:30:47,679
reports of of these

2540
01:30:52,470 --> 01:30:50,639
giant harry smelly creatures yeah

2541
01:30:54,709 --> 01:30:52,480
absolutely and uh

2542
01:30:56,470 --> 01:30:54,719
you know it's it's a funny thing like

2543
01:30:57,910 --> 01:30:56,480
even you know like we say the horror

2544
01:30:59,990 --> 01:30:57,920
stuff and ufos

2545
01:31:01,510 --> 01:31:00,000
well you know the bigfoot people don't

2546
01:31:03,430 --> 01:31:01,520
like the ufo people

2547
01:31:04,870 --> 01:31:03,440
and the ufo people don't like the ghost

2548
01:31:06,149 --> 01:31:04,880
people and the ghost people don't like

2549
01:31:08,470 --> 01:31:06,159
the bigfoot people

2550
01:31:10,550 --> 01:31:08,480
it's it's actually it's an amazing thing

2551
01:31:12,390 --> 01:31:10,560
to watch but yeah we have had

2552
01:31:14,310 --> 01:31:12,400
cases like that and that's kind of like

2553
01:31:15,669 --> 01:31:14,320
one of the debates that comes up or is

2554
01:31:17,990 --> 01:31:15,679
bigfoot actually

2555
01:31:20,070 --> 01:31:18,000
uh an extraterrestrial creature or are

2556
01:31:21,830 --> 01:31:20,080
there other different types of bigfoot

2557
01:31:23,270 --> 01:31:21,840
one being a primate that's not

2558
01:31:25,510 --> 01:31:23,280
discovered and one being

2559
01:31:26,950 --> 01:31:25,520
an extraterrestrial we had a case here

2560
01:31:30,070 --> 01:31:26,960
in pennsylvania

2561
01:31:33,110 --> 01:31:30,080
uh back actually in 1973 with stan

2562
01:31:35,270 --> 01:31:33,120
gordon it was in uniontown pa oh yeah he

2563
01:31:36,470 --> 01:31:35,280
a great researcher i mean he's really

2564
01:31:39,430 --> 01:31:36,480
uncovered a lot of uh

2565
01:31:40,550 --> 01:31:39,440
information on sightings like this yeah

2566
01:31:42,070 --> 01:31:40,560
you know he lives about

2567
01:31:44,390 --> 01:31:42,080
two miles from me that's which is a

2568
01:31:46,790 --> 01:31:44,400
coincidence you know he was a mufon

2569
01:31:48,629 --> 01:31:46,800
state director in pa for about 15 years

2570
01:31:51,030 --> 01:31:48,639
and i've had it for almost 10 now

2571
01:31:51,830 --> 01:31:51,040
but we live right in the same town uh

2572
01:31:55,430 --> 01:31:51,840
but

2573
01:31:56,149 --> 01:31:55,440
in that case there was a uh a farmer and

2574
01:31:58,149 --> 01:31:56,159
his son

2575
01:32:00,070 --> 01:31:58,159
and they see this bigfoot on their

2576
01:32:03,270 --> 01:32:00,080
property but they also see

2577
01:32:04,070 --> 01:32:03,280
a ufo so they fire at the bigfoot and

2578
01:32:06,470 --> 01:32:04,080
they said i

2579
01:32:07,189 --> 01:32:06,480
they had a rifle i know i hid it is what

2580
01:32:09,270 --> 01:32:07,199
they said

2581
01:32:11,590 --> 01:32:09,280
i hit that thing and it just kind of

2582
01:32:12,950 --> 01:32:11,600
like uh i it walked away and then kind

2583
01:32:15,910 --> 01:32:12,960
of like disappeared

2584
01:32:16,390 --> 01:32:15,920
and but they have this ufo hovering

2585
01:32:19,669 --> 01:32:16,400
there

2586
01:32:21,910 --> 01:32:19,679
and then the ufo takes off so uh stan

2587
01:32:22,870 --> 01:32:21,920
gordon and his guys and the state police

2588
01:32:26,229 --> 01:32:22,880
go up there

2589
01:32:27,110 --> 01:32:26,239
and where the ufo was a round spot

2590
01:32:30,310 --> 01:32:27,120
that's still

2591
01:32:32,390 --> 01:32:30,320
glowing at night and uh

2592
01:32:34,229 --> 01:32:32,400
and stan said one of his investigators

2593
01:32:36,629 --> 01:32:34,239
walked into the center of it

2594
01:32:37,669 --> 01:32:36,639
and he collapsed and he actually started

2595
01:32:39,910 --> 01:32:37,679
howling

2596
01:32:41,750 --> 01:32:39,920
and and kind of like barking like a dog

2597
01:32:42,310 --> 01:32:41,760
they had to grab them and pull them out

2598
01:32:45,030 --> 01:32:42,320
of

2599
01:32:46,390 --> 01:32:45,040
nowhere who was this that did that uh

2600
01:32:50,229 --> 01:32:46,400
one of the investigators

2601
01:32:52,950 --> 01:32:50,239
stan gordon yeah it was one of the

2602
01:32:54,629 --> 01:32:52,960
gordon's guys but uh that's one of you

2603
01:32:55,750 --> 01:32:54,639
know one of the better ones i mean stan

2604
01:32:57,830 --> 01:32:55,760
is that he's really

2605
01:32:59,350 --> 01:32:57,840
into the bigfoot stuff yeah you know

2606
01:33:01,189 --> 01:32:59,360
he's had uh

2607
01:33:03,669 --> 01:33:01,199
cases where the bigfoot's come up to

2608
01:33:05,270 --> 01:33:03,679
like a bathroom window a bedroom window

2609
01:33:07,189 --> 01:33:05,280
and kind of looked in and the people

2610
01:33:07,990 --> 01:33:07,199
have seen it and you know it has that

2611
01:33:10,950 --> 01:33:08,000
sulfur type

2612
01:33:13,270 --> 01:33:10,960
smell to it and stuff but but this area

2613
01:33:16,310 --> 01:33:13,280
it's kind of weird here in western pa

2614
01:33:19,270 --> 01:33:16,320
uh this area has like

2615
01:33:20,070 --> 01:33:19,280
one of the most bigfoot sightings ufo

2616
01:33:22,310 --> 01:33:20,080
sightings

2617
01:33:24,470 --> 01:33:22,320
popular mechanics actually did an

2618
01:33:27,750 --> 01:33:24,480
article in 2009

2619
01:33:29,910 --> 01:33:27,760
about counties that have the most ufo

2620
01:33:33,110 --> 01:33:29,920
sightings in counties that don't have a

2621
01:33:35,350 --> 01:33:33,120
major city in it like los angeles county

2622
01:33:37,510 --> 01:33:35,360
and the number one county once

2623
01:33:38,870 --> 01:33:37,520
westmoreland county which is 30 miles

2624
01:33:41,830 --> 01:33:38,880
outside of pittsburgh

2625
01:33:43,669 --> 01:33:41,840
we get the most ufo cases in the country

2626
01:33:44,870 --> 01:33:43,679
for a county that doesn't have a major

2627
01:33:47,510 --> 01:33:44,880
city in it

2628
01:33:48,470 --> 01:33:47,520
well you know i was always skeptical uh

2629
01:33:51,110 --> 01:33:48,480
about the

2630
01:33:52,070 --> 01:33:51,120
the connection between a bigfoot and

2631
01:33:54,149 --> 01:33:52,080
ufos

2632
01:33:55,189 --> 01:33:54,159
i mean i knew ivan c sanderson who of

2633
01:33:57,669 --> 01:33:55,199
course was a the

2634
01:33:58,390 --> 01:33:57,679
the first uh investigator of the bigfoot

2635
01:34:01,669 --> 01:33:58,400
uh he

2636
01:34:04,470 --> 01:34:01,679
used to be on nbc he was a

2637
01:34:06,390 --> 01:34:04,480
animal curator you know and it had the

2638
01:34:06,709 --> 01:34:06,400
credentials and and so forth and he did

2639
01:34:11,110 --> 01:34:06,719
a

2640
01:34:14,709 --> 01:34:11,120
first one on the uh

2641
01:34:16,310 --> 01:34:14,719
abonable snowman

2642
01:34:18,229 --> 01:34:16,320
but i didn't see any real connection

2643
01:34:19,189 --> 01:34:18,239
until i actually went and investigated a

2644
01:34:22,229 --> 01:34:19,199
case

2645
01:34:24,470 --> 01:34:22,239
um in athens ohio

2646
01:34:26,310 --> 01:34:24,480
there was a little item in the newspaper

2647
01:34:29,270 --> 01:34:26,320
in the new york post about someone

2648
01:34:30,870 --> 01:34:29,280
who had seen an object land in the field

2649
01:34:32,310 --> 01:34:30,880
there it had left some indentions in the

2650
01:34:34,070 --> 01:34:32,320
ground you know and i just happened to

2651
01:34:35,590 --> 01:34:34,080
be going to ohio on some business so i

2652
01:34:37,669 --> 01:34:35,600
figured well let me go and

2653
01:34:39,270 --> 01:34:37,679
interview the people who had seen this

2654
01:34:41,430 --> 01:34:39,280
object in the back of their house in the

2655
01:34:44,470 --> 01:34:41,440
cornfield what wasn't really a cornfield

2656
01:34:48,310 --> 01:34:46,950
a small patch of corn let's say but i

2657
01:34:50,550 --> 01:34:48,320
decided let me go out

2658
01:34:52,070 --> 01:34:50,560
after i done my investigation there and

2659
01:34:53,109 --> 01:34:52,080
talk to some of the neighbors to see if

2660
01:34:55,830 --> 01:34:53,119
they had seen

2661
01:34:56,470 --> 01:34:55,840
any unusual things in the sky well there

2662
01:35:00,470 --> 01:34:56,480
were a few

2663
01:35:01,910 --> 01:35:00,480
uh reports of ufos but um

2664
01:35:03,990 --> 01:35:01,920
people started telling me about their

2665
01:35:05,109 --> 01:35:04,000
experiences with these creatures one

2666
01:35:06,709 --> 01:35:05,119
woman said that

2667
01:35:08,470 --> 01:35:06,719
there were big footprints behind your

2668
01:35:11,350 --> 01:35:08,480
air conditioner you know when they uh

2669
01:35:12,550 --> 01:35:11,360
where the footprints had been left in

2670
01:35:14,550 --> 01:35:12,560
the ground you know under the

2671
01:35:15,750 --> 01:35:14,560
muddy soil caused by the dripping of the

2672
01:35:17,510 --> 01:35:15,760
water and so forth

2673
01:35:19,189 --> 01:35:17,520
and there were other people who said

2674
01:35:21,030 --> 01:35:19,199
that the bigfoot was

2675
01:35:22,950 --> 01:35:21,040
banging on the side of their house and

2676
01:35:25,910 --> 01:35:22,960
it you know it all became uh

2677
01:35:27,830 --> 01:35:25,920
inter intertwined uh and and so i you

2678
01:35:29,430 --> 01:35:27,840
know i don't know i said after that well

2679
01:35:30,709 --> 01:35:29,440
there must be some connection with it

2680
01:35:32,149 --> 01:35:30,719
and then i started doing my own

2681
01:35:34,629 --> 01:35:32,159
investigation and hearing

2682
01:35:37,270 --> 01:35:34,639
uh people describe similar uh you know

2683
01:35:40,709 --> 01:35:37,280
situations and sightings

2684
01:35:42,950 --> 01:35:40,719
yeah well you know uh this area is huge

2685
01:35:44,950 --> 01:35:42,960
for hunters uh deer hunter to like the

2686
01:35:47,590 --> 01:35:44,960
movie deer you know deer hunting and

2687
01:35:48,070 --> 01:35:47,600
uh um so when you talk about bigfoot

2688
01:35:49,910 --> 01:35:48,080
here

2689
01:35:51,350 --> 01:35:49,920
you got a lot of these guys come out and

2690
01:35:53,270 --> 01:35:51,360
say they've they've seen

2691
01:35:55,270 --> 01:35:53,280
stuff they've heard stuff in the woods

2692
01:35:57,830 --> 01:35:55,280
things that didn't sound right to them

2693
01:35:59,109 --> 01:35:57,840
and uh so so actually when you do the

2694
01:36:01,669 --> 01:35:59,119
bigfoot conference

2695
01:36:03,750 --> 01:36:01,679
in this area it draws a bigger crowd

2696
01:36:05,669 --> 01:36:03,760
than the ufo conference does so

2697
01:36:07,910 --> 01:36:05,679
uh you know every now and then i try to

2698
01:36:09,430 --> 01:36:07,920
have a bigfoot speaker or ghost speaker

2699
01:36:11,510 --> 01:36:09,440
at my ufo conferences

2700
01:36:14,310 --> 01:36:11,520
just to try to bring the other crowd in

2701
01:36:18,790 --> 01:36:17,189
so do you think that these beings are

2702
01:36:20,950 --> 01:36:18,800
these bigfoot are being controlled by

2703
01:36:23,350 --> 01:36:20,960
somebody on board the ship or are they

2704
01:36:24,390 --> 01:36:23,360
i don't think that they would be

2705
01:36:26,390 --> 01:36:24,400
piloting them

2706
01:36:29,030 --> 01:36:26,400
necessarily are they coming through some

2707
01:36:30,950 --> 01:36:29,040
window area from some other dimension

2708
01:36:33,030 --> 01:36:30,960
well you know uh i i'm not a big

2709
01:36:34,550 --> 01:36:33,040
believer that the the bigfoot is that

2710
01:36:37,750 --> 01:36:34,560
related to ufos

2711
01:36:39,430 --> 01:36:37,760
i do have uh one of my like my chief

2712
01:36:41,910 --> 01:36:39,440
investigator who's also the west

2713
01:36:43,830 --> 01:36:41,920
virginia state director fred saluger

2714
01:36:45,510 --> 01:36:43,840
he's into bigfoot and ufos and he's

2715
01:36:46,229 --> 01:36:45,520
convinced that there is a connection

2716
01:36:48,709 --> 01:36:46,239
there

2717
01:36:51,189 --> 01:36:48,719
i kind of think bigfoot's probably uh

2718
01:36:54,229 --> 01:36:51,199
you know just a primate that hasn't been

2719
01:36:55,270 --> 01:36:54,239
discovered uh the the funny thing is

2720
01:36:58,470 --> 01:36:55,280
though when you look at

2721
01:36:59,189 --> 01:36:58,480
all of the stuff you got to be able to

2722
01:37:00,870 --> 01:36:59,199
explain

2723
01:37:02,550 --> 01:37:00,880
everything you know and i kind of keep

2724
01:37:04,070 --> 01:37:02,560
saying to myself i got to come up with

2725
01:37:07,030 --> 01:37:04,080
the string theory

2726
01:37:08,790 --> 01:37:07,040
of everything unexplained you know the

2727
01:37:11,030 --> 01:37:08,800
ghostly stuff the creatures that are

2728
01:37:13,270 --> 01:37:11,040
unexplained ufos etc

2729
01:37:14,070 --> 01:37:13,280
and you know the best explanation that i

2730
01:37:16,310 --> 01:37:14,080
can come up with

2731
01:37:17,109 --> 01:37:16,320
is that it's interdimensional which

2732
01:37:18,709 --> 01:37:17,119
would explain

2733
01:37:20,870 --> 01:37:18,719
you know how they just kind of appear

2734
01:37:23,109 --> 01:37:20,880
they disappear it takes care of all the

2735
01:37:25,350 --> 01:37:23,119
legends you know a lot of ufos even kind

2736
01:37:27,270 --> 01:37:25,360
of just blink out they disappear

2737
01:37:28,470 --> 01:37:27,280
you know so uh you know if it's

2738
01:37:31,109 --> 01:37:28,480
interdimensional

2739
01:37:32,790 --> 01:37:31,119
that kind of explains how maybe a lot of

2740
01:37:35,830 --> 01:37:32,800
this work comes from

2741
01:37:37,510 --> 01:37:35,840
last week we had on ted phillips uh who

2742
01:37:39,669 --> 01:37:37,520
of course was dr heineck's

2743
01:37:41,750 --> 01:37:39,679
uh you know associate for many many

2744
01:37:42,950 --> 01:37:41,760
years and of course he started to you

2745
01:37:45,030 --> 01:37:42,960
know started out uh

2746
01:37:46,229 --> 01:37:45,040
back in the 1960s investigating the

2747
01:37:49,270 --> 01:37:46,239
socorro ufo

2748
01:37:51,830 --> 01:37:49,280
landing there um and you know he became

2749
01:37:52,950 --> 01:37:51,840
convinced in the last few years uh by

2750
01:37:55,189 --> 01:37:52,960
investigating this uh

2751
01:37:56,950 --> 01:37:55,199
incidences uh in marley woods where

2752
01:37:57,510 --> 01:37:56,960
these objects appear and disappear and

2753
01:38:04,470 --> 01:37:57,520
they

2754
01:38:06,149 --> 01:38:04,480
across to 20 feet in in diameter and now

2755
01:38:07,750 --> 01:38:06,159
they're starting to get into the homes

2756
01:38:09,590 --> 01:38:07,760
of the people there so

2757
01:38:11,430 --> 01:38:09,600
he started out believing that ufos were

2758
01:38:15,109 --> 01:38:11,440
all extraterrestrial in origin

2759
01:38:17,750 --> 01:38:15,119
and now definitely believes uh it's um

2760
01:38:19,430 --> 01:38:17,760
you know paranormal in in nature yeah

2761
01:38:20,149 --> 01:38:19,440
you know i kind of agree with that uh

2762
01:38:21,990 --> 01:38:20,159
mufon

2763
01:38:24,310 --> 01:38:22,000
stance because it's a scientific

2764
01:38:26,070 --> 01:38:24,320
organization has been pretty much

2765
01:38:28,790 --> 01:38:26,080
nuts and bolts they fly here from

2766
01:38:30,709 --> 01:38:28,800
another you know solar system etc

2767
01:38:32,470 --> 01:38:30,719
and uh you know because they want to

2768
01:38:35,350 --> 01:38:32,480
investigate the scientific

2769
01:38:37,350 --> 01:38:35,360
aspect of it and that's you know what

2770
01:38:39,030 --> 01:38:37,360
they they kind of lean towards

2771
01:38:41,910 --> 01:38:39,040
when you start talking about the

2772
01:38:43,030 --> 01:38:41,920
paranormal and interdimensional and that

2773
01:38:45,510 --> 01:38:43,040
type of stuff

2774
01:38:46,390 --> 01:38:45,520
uh most of the mufon people start to

2775
01:38:49,669 --> 01:38:46,400
back away

2776
01:38:51,270 --> 01:38:49,679
yeah but you know i i i i see

2777
01:38:54,149 --> 01:38:51,280
because i've had all the paranormal

2778
01:38:55,750 --> 01:38:54,159
stuff happen uh i've never seen the ufo

2779
01:38:57,350 --> 01:38:55,760
but that's why i kind of say you know

2780
01:38:59,189 --> 01:38:57,360
interdimensional

2781
01:39:01,510 --> 01:38:59,199
it kind of explains a lot of it you know

2782
01:39:03,109 --> 01:39:01,520
even if you're religious like i said

2783
01:39:03,750 --> 01:39:03,119
where i think some of this is demonic

2784
01:39:05,270 --> 01:39:03,760
well

2785
01:39:07,109 --> 01:39:05,280
what would that be you know there's a

2786
01:39:07,830 --> 01:39:07,119
dimension which is heaven there's a

2787
01:39:10,229 --> 01:39:07,840
dimension

2788
01:39:11,830 --> 01:39:10,239
which is hell with that satan rules you

2789
01:39:13,910 --> 01:39:11,840
know then there's these other dimensions

2790
01:39:16,070 --> 01:39:13,920
with these creatures and other beings

2791
01:39:16,950 --> 01:39:16,080
and and they come through so for me the

2792
01:39:20,390 --> 01:39:16,960
string theory

2793
01:39:23,030 --> 01:39:20,400
of everything is uh inter-dimensional

2794
01:39:23,669 --> 01:39:23,040
now here's a little bit of something i

2795
01:39:25,590 --> 01:39:23,679
picked up

2796
01:39:27,109 --> 01:39:25,600
you know a kenneth arnold is often

2797
01:39:30,149 --> 01:39:27,119
credited uh

2798
01:39:32,070 --> 01:39:30,159
as uh being uh the individual who

2799
01:39:33,910 --> 01:39:32,080
uh i guess described the ufos as

2800
01:39:35,830 --> 01:39:33,920
skipping over uh water like a

2801
01:39:37,189 --> 01:39:35,840
like a saucer so that's how the name

2802
01:39:40,149 --> 01:39:37,199
flying saucer came about

2803
01:39:40,709 --> 01:39:40,159
now he's not really not really well okay

2804
01:39:43,189 --> 01:39:40,719
oh well

2805
01:39:44,870 --> 01:39:43,199
now you oh okay but let's get on the

2806
01:39:47,270 --> 01:39:44,880
back

2807
01:39:48,709 --> 01:39:47,280
well let him correct you go ahead john

2808
01:39:50,470 --> 01:39:48,719
what was your first description

2809
01:39:51,510 --> 01:39:50,480
yeah the only reason i say that is and

2810
01:39:52,229 --> 01:39:51,520
you can then you can say what you're

2811
01:39:55,270 --> 01:39:52,239
gonna say

2812
01:39:58,310 --> 01:39:55,280
is uh everybody credits kenneth

2813
01:40:00,390 --> 01:39:58,320
arnold with saying flying saucers as

2814
01:40:00,870 --> 01:40:00,400
being the originator of that term but he

2815
01:40:04,070 --> 01:40:00,880
wasn't

2816
01:40:07,270 --> 01:40:04,080
it was used in a dallas newspaper

2817
01:40:09,430 --> 01:40:07,280
in like 1879 it's actually in my book an

2818
01:40:10,790 --> 01:40:09,440
alternative history of mankind nobody

2819
01:40:12,310 --> 01:40:10,800
knows that fact but

2820
01:40:14,950 --> 01:40:12,320
you know i could actually tell you the

2821
01:40:17,430 --> 01:40:14,960
exact date and who the guy was but

2822
01:40:19,030 --> 01:40:17,440
it originally showed up about 70 years

2823
01:40:21,270 --> 01:40:19,040
before kenneth arnold but

2824
01:40:22,149 --> 01:40:21,280
again yeah say what you're going to say

2825
01:40:25,830 --> 01:40:22,159
okay anyway

2826
01:40:26,149 --> 01:40:25,840
so so kenneth arnold is often credited

2827
01:40:30,950 --> 01:40:26,159
as

2828
01:40:32,229 --> 01:40:30,960
being the start of the modern ufo area

2829
01:40:33,109 --> 01:40:32,239
although we know it goes back along

2830
01:40:35,910 --> 01:40:33,119
before that

2831
01:40:36,950 --> 01:40:35,920
uh and he saw these nine uh kind of

2832
01:40:39,590 --> 01:40:36,960
heel-shaped

2833
01:40:40,310 --> 01:40:39,600
objects they weren't actually discs uh

2834
01:40:43,270 --> 01:40:40,320
at all

2835
01:40:44,310 --> 01:40:43,280
flying uh just above the cloud layer in

2836
01:40:47,189 --> 01:40:44,320
mount rainier

2837
01:40:48,310 --> 01:40:47,199
rainier uh in washington street uh state

2838
01:40:50,550 --> 01:40:48,320
actually yakima

2839
01:40:51,750 --> 01:40:50,560
was the area that he was flying over

2840
01:40:54,550 --> 01:40:51,760
which is known for its

2841
01:40:55,109 --> 01:40:54,560
ufo uh activity it is a there is an

2842
01:40:57,030 --> 01:40:55,119
indian

2843
01:40:58,229 --> 01:40:57,040
reservation there and they actually had

2844
01:40:59,189 --> 01:40:58,239
for many years i don't know if it's

2845
01:41:01,990 --> 01:40:59,199
still there or not

2846
01:41:05,109 --> 01:41:02,000
uh ufo sky watch tower where they would

2847
01:41:07,109 --> 01:41:05,119
see these weird lights coming up from uh

2848
01:41:08,870 --> 01:41:07,119
far below you know so he had these

2849
01:41:09,910 --> 01:41:08,880
sightings that he's often credited for

2850
01:41:13,350 --> 01:41:09,920
being the

2851
01:41:15,750 --> 01:41:13,360
uh the the daddy of the ufo uh

2852
01:41:16,950 --> 01:41:15,760
phenomena as we know it but he didn't

2853
01:41:20,149 --> 01:41:16,960
really believe

2854
01:41:21,830 --> 01:41:20,159
that ufos were extraterrestrial uh in

2855
01:41:24,470 --> 01:41:21,840
fact there have been a couple of

2856
01:41:26,790 --> 01:41:24,480
interviews with his uh i think a

2857
01:41:30,390 --> 01:41:26,800
daughter and his granddaughter uh on

2858
01:41:31,990 --> 01:41:30,400
podcast and he beli he believed that

2859
01:41:34,310 --> 01:41:32,000
they were interdimensional perhaps

2860
01:41:35,270 --> 01:41:34,320
maybe negative in origin he thought that

2861
01:41:38,310 --> 01:41:35,280
they were some

2862
01:41:38,950 --> 01:41:38,320
sort of craft that took the souls of the

2863
01:41:42,310 --> 01:41:38,960
dead

2864
01:41:44,390 --> 01:41:42,320
over to the other other side and he had

2865
01:41:45,750 --> 01:41:44,400
he had a case where he talked about a

2866
01:41:47,109 --> 01:41:45,760
rocking chair in his living room that

2867
01:41:49,030 --> 01:41:47,119
would move back and forth

2868
01:41:50,709 --> 01:41:49,040
and there was no you know no one seated

2869
01:41:51,350 --> 01:41:50,719
in it he had some things that were

2870
01:41:53,510 --> 01:41:51,360
happening

2871
01:41:55,030 --> 01:41:53,520
with weird lights in the trees outside

2872
01:41:57,430 --> 01:41:55,040
of his his home

2873
01:41:59,430 --> 01:41:57,440
but one of the weird things and i i

2874
01:42:02,709 --> 01:41:59,440
think the way one of the ways that these

2875
01:42:04,310 --> 01:42:02,719
beings can converse with us is is that

2876
01:42:05,350 --> 01:42:04,320
there obviously is some sort of a

2877
01:42:07,270 --> 01:42:05,360
language barrier

2878
01:42:09,590 --> 01:42:07,280
but i think that there is a relationship

2879
01:42:13,590 --> 01:42:09,600
between coincidence and synchronicity

2880
01:42:17,189 --> 01:42:13,600
now a number of ufo uh investigators

2881
01:42:19,189 --> 01:42:17,199
have uh passed away on the uh

2882
01:42:20,310 --> 01:42:19,199
on the same day that kenneth arnold had

2883
01:42:23,350 --> 01:42:20,320
his um

2884
01:42:23,750 --> 01:42:23,360
ufo sighting june 24th well isn't it

2885
01:42:25,669 --> 01:42:23,760
very

2886
01:42:27,669 --> 01:42:25,679
interesting that they passed away on

2887
01:42:27,990 --> 01:42:27,679
that date and he believed that the ufos

2888
01:42:30,310 --> 01:42:28,000
that he

2889
01:42:31,510 --> 01:42:30,320
saw were containers that carried the

2890
01:42:33,590 --> 01:42:31,520
spirits of

2891
01:42:35,430 --> 01:42:33,600
the deceased over to the other side i

2892
01:42:36,790 --> 01:42:35,440
don't know i just think it's a kind of a

2893
01:42:38,709 --> 01:42:36,800
weird uh

2894
01:42:40,310 --> 01:42:38,719
coincidence it's really just kind of too

2895
01:42:43,590 --> 01:42:40,320
eerie for me

2896
01:42:46,709 --> 01:42:43,600
yeah he also uh did an interview in the

2897
01:42:48,470 --> 01:42:46,719
early mid 50s and he also said he

2898
01:42:49,830 --> 01:42:48,480
came to the conclusion that he thought

2899
01:42:53,030 --> 01:42:49,840
that those crafts were

2900
01:42:53,669 --> 01:42:53,040
living were like almost living creatures

2901
01:42:56,390 --> 01:42:53,679
that they had

2902
01:42:57,270 --> 01:42:56,400
skin on them and uh didn't think that

2903
01:43:00,310 --> 01:42:57,280
they were actually

2904
01:43:01,270 --> 01:43:00,320
metallic so uh right i mean who knows i

2905
01:43:03,510 --> 01:43:01,280
mean you know and then

2906
01:43:05,590 --> 01:43:03,520
you talk about taking the souls again

2907
01:43:07,270 --> 01:43:05,600
then see i keep reverting back to the

2908
01:43:07,830 --> 01:43:07,280
religious side because i believe in

2909
01:43:09,990 --> 01:43:07,840
jesus

2910
01:43:11,189 --> 01:43:10,000
and i do think that there is pure evil

2911
01:43:13,910 --> 01:43:11,199
out there and a demon

2912
01:43:15,189 --> 01:43:13,920
and demons and uh you know maybe you

2913
01:43:17,590 --> 01:43:15,199
know that's part of it too

2914
01:43:18,470 --> 01:43:17,600
to steal our souls what do they do with

2915
01:43:24,390 --> 01:43:18,480
them

2916
01:43:26,070 --> 01:43:24,400
yeah like phantasm you know they have a

2917
01:43:28,390 --> 01:43:26,080
big tall white guy just yeah

2918
01:43:29,430 --> 01:43:28,400
oh yeah container for the left-wing

2919
01:43:32,310 --> 01:43:29,440
liberals you know

2920
01:43:33,189 --> 01:43:32,320
uh that would be me yeah they're here to

2921
01:43:40,229 --> 01:43:33,199
serve

2922
01:43:45,270 --> 01:43:43,189
so john what's happening in pennsylvania

2923
01:43:47,270 --> 01:43:45,280
now is there anything going on

2924
01:43:48,870 --> 01:43:47,280
well you know we get uh you know it's

2925
01:43:51,990 --> 01:43:48,880
funny since we had that

2926
01:43:53,510 --> 01:43:52,000
ufo wave in 2008 like i said we were

2927
01:43:57,430 --> 01:43:53,520
getting about 90

2928
01:44:03,270 --> 01:43:57,440
95 97 cases since 08

2929
01:44:04,070 --> 01:44:03,280
we have gotten a steady 325 to 350 cases

2930
01:44:05,990 --> 01:44:04,080
a year

2931
01:44:08,149 --> 01:44:06,000
so the activity activity's gone up to

2932
01:44:09,590 --> 01:44:08,159
where we get six and sometimes seven

2933
01:44:11,830 --> 01:44:09,600
cases a week

2934
01:44:12,709 --> 01:44:11,840
uh you know one of my guys he's an

2935
01:44:14,870 --> 01:44:12,719
attorney

2936
01:44:16,629 --> 01:44:14,880
and uh he did a study look at two

2937
01:44:20,550 --> 01:44:16,639
thousand cases

2938
01:44:21,590 --> 01:44:20,560
of orange orbs uh not not the small ball

2939
01:44:23,910 --> 01:44:21,600
lightning you know the

2940
01:44:25,350 --> 01:44:23,920
large ones that are seen in the sky and

2941
01:44:27,270 --> 01:44:25,360
uh he wrote a book and he actually came

2942
01:44:30,470 --> 01:44:27,280
to the conclusion there are four

2943
01:44:31,669 --> 01:44:30,480
bases they sh they they show up at like

2944
01:44:34,550 --> 01:44:31,679
8 30 at night they

2945
01:44:35,270 --> 01:44:34,560
they leave about 10 30 at night and he

2946
01:44:38,229 --> 01:44:35,280
tracked

2947
01:44:38,870 --> 01:44:38,239
the 2000 reports and he says there's a

2948
01:44:43,189 --> 01:44:38,880
base

2949
01:44:45,189 --> 01:44:43,199
off of los angeles and i think we all

2950
01:44:46,229 --> 01:44:45,199
you know have heard about that catalina

2951
01:44:48,310 --> 01:44:46,239
island

2952
01:44:51,030 --> 01:44:48,320
there's a base in lake erie which is

2953
01:44:53,750 --> 01:44:51,040
where a lot of my cases and ohio's

2954
01:44:55,990 --> 01:44:53,760
uh ufo sightings come out of lake erie

2955
01:44:58,790 --> 01:44:56,000
and then he says there's two other bases

2956
01:45:00,550 --> 01:44:58,800
one off of miami and then one that's

2957
01:45:02,229 --> 01:45:00,560
where i'm at by the way yeah oh okay and

2958
01:45:04,310 --> 01:45:02,239
then one off of the gulf side

2959
01:45:05,990 --> 01:45:04,320
so he did a lot of analysis on that i

2960
01:45:07,990 --> 01:45:06,000
got some really good people in my group

2961
01:45:10,550 --> 01:45:08,000
here i got 30 investigators

2962
01:45:13,109 --> 01:45:10,560
almost 170 members but like i said we

2963
01:45:15,510 --> 01:45:13,119
get we get almost a case uh

2964
01:45:16,390 --> 01:45:15,520
a case a day but i've got five other

2965
01:45:18,310 --> 01:45:16,400
states i'm

2966
01:45:20,470 --> 01:45:18,320
one of the few or maybe even the only

2967
01:45:23,109 --> 01:45:20,480
multi-state director for mufon

2968
01:45:24,310 --> 01:45:23,119
i've got six states i've got delaware

2969
01:45:26,629 --> 01:45:24,320
and then i have four

2970
01:45:29,669 --> 01:45:26,639
new england states and when i get cases

2971
01:45:32,070 --> 01:45:29,679
out of vermont new hampshire

2972
01:45:33,109 --> 01:45:32,080
maine in particular i'm telling you

2973
01:45:36,229 --> 01:45:33,119
those those are

2974
01:45:36,629 --> 01:45:36,239
paranormal i get the weirdest cases out

2975
01:45:38,229 --> 01:45:36,639
of

2976
01:45:40,149 --> 01:45:38,239
new england you know what what are the

2977
01:45:41,830 --> 01:45:40,159
best cases that i remember from years

2978
01:45:44,390 --> 01:45:41,840
ago do you know about the

2979
01:45:46,629 --> 01:45:44,400
case in bangor maine where somebody

2980
01:45:48,149 --> 01:45:46,639
actually shot at a ufo and heard the uh

2981
01:45:50,470 --> 01:45:48,159
the bullet ricochet

2982
01:45:51,590 --> 01:45:50,480
oh no i'm not familiar with that one see

2983
01:45:54,629 --> 01:45:51,600
i go way

2984
01:45:56,149 --> 01:45:54,639
back yeah i mean i had the cases this

2985
01:45:57,030 --> 01:45:56,159
woman called me and i think she was in

2986
01:45:59,270 --> 01:45:57,040
new hampshire

2987
01:46:00,310 --> 01:45:59,280
and she goes john i i you know i live on

2988
01:46:02,390 --> 01:46:00,320
a farm and

2989
01:46:03,430 --> 01:46:02,400
she says it's like nobody else that's

2990
01:46:06,629 --> 01:46:03,440
pitch black

2991
01:46:07,750 --> 01:46:06,639
she says i'll she says she'll see like a

2992
01:46:09,590 --> 01:46:07,760
laser light

2993
01:46:11,430 --> 01:46:09,600
being pointed through her windows i said

2994
01:46:11,990 --> 01:46:11,440
well maybe that's just kids messing with

2995
01:46:14,149 --> 01:46:12,000
you and stuff

2996
01:46:15,270 --> 01:46:14,159
you know and she goes now there's

2997
01:46:17,669 --> 01:46:15,280
something out there

2998
01:46:19,109 --> 01:46:17,679
she says uh all of a sudden the house

2999
01:46:21,590 --> 01:46:19,119
will kind of like light up

3000
01:46:22,629 --> 01:46:21,600
you know from above there's a light

3001
01:46:24,470 --> 01:46:22,639
shining on the house

3002
01:46:26,709 --> 01:46:24,480
and she says she called her boyfriend

3003
01:46:29,669 --> 01:46:26,719
and she says i'm watching out the window

3004
01:46:31,590 --> 01:46:29,679
i see my boyfriend come to the gate he

3005
01:46:33,109 --> 01:46:31,600
gets out to open the gate it's kind of

3006
01:46:35,350 --> 01:46:33,119
like a ranch type

3007
01:46:36,629 --> 01:46:35,360
of thing you know and she says i see

3008
01:46:39,350 --> 01:46:36,639
this thing

3009
01:46:41,669 --> 01:46:39,360
kneeling down on the at the other end of

3010
01:46:44,550 --> 01:46:41,679
the gate it stands up it's got to

3011
01:46:45,109 --> 01:46:44,560
be like seven feet tall and she says it

3012
01:46:47,590 --> 01:46:45,119
runs

3013
01:46:49,750 --> 01:46:47,600
through like the cornfield and she says

3014
01:46:50,390 --> 01:46:49,760
i can see it running at about 30 miles

3015
01:46:51,990 --> 01:46:50,400
an hour

3016
01:46:53,510 --> 01:46:52,000
and the path it's making through the

3017
01:46:55,270 --> 01:46:53,520
cornfield i mean i

3018
01:46:57,109 --> 01:46:55,280
i get these phone calls at like one in

3019
01:46:58,709 --> 01:46:57,119
the morning like that and and but the

3020
01:46:59,189 --> 01:46:58,719
stuff that comes out of the new england

3021
01:47:01,270 --> 01:46:59,199
area

3022
01:47:02,390 --> 01:47:01,280
is the creepiest creepiest stuff what

3023
01:47:04,550 --> 01:47:02,400
else what else you got

3024
01:47:05,590 --> 01:47:04,560
uh well there's just a lot of that type

3025
01:47:07,510 --> 01:47:05,600
of stuff one

3026
01:47:09,030 --> 01:47:07,520
you know one guy called me and he said

3027
01:47:10,070 --> 01:47:09,040
that you know he keeps having these

3028
01:47:12,709 --> 01:47:10,080
recurring like

3029
01:47:14,390 --> 01:47:12,719
out of body experiences and again he was

3030
01:47:16,390 --> 01:47:14,400
up in that new england area

3031
01:47:18,070 --> 01:47:16,400
where he's in a field and there's a

3032
01:47:20,390 --> 01:47:18,080
woman there and

3033
01:47:21,270 --> 01:47:20,400
you know as he gets closer and closer to

3034
01:47:24,070 --> 01:47:21,280
her then she

3035
01:47:24,790 --> 01:47:24,080
turns into something else you know it's

3036
01:47:31,109 --> 01:47:24,800
like

3037
01:47:33,270 --> 01:47:31,119
normal you know ufo cases you know i get

3038
01:47:33,750 --> 01:47:33,280
very few of the bigfoots and i don't

3039
01:47:35,590 --> 01:47:33,760
think i

3040
01:47:37,350 --> 01:47:35,600
ever get any that i i would say well

3041
01:47:39,189 --> 01:47:37,360
this is you know this sounds like

3042
01:47:39,750 --> 01:47:39,199
paranormal stuff to me but the new

3043
01:47:43,109 --> 01:47:39,760
england

3044
01:47:45,430 --> 01:47:43,119
that's just very creepy up there

3045
01:47:47,430 --> 01:47:45,440
are you in touch like any any of the

3046
01:47:49,109 --> 01:47:47,440
ghost hunters or paranormal researchers

3047
01:47:50,790 --> 01:47:49,119
i mean sharing information at all

3048
01:47:52,629 --> 01:47:50,800
uh you know i'm friends with all of them

3049
01:47:54,470 --> 01:47:52,639
i try to stay neutral you know and i

3050
01:47:57,189 --> 01:47:54,480
like i said i try to invite the bigfoot

3051
01:47:59,510 --> 01:47:57,199
society uh i go to their conferences

3052
01:48:00,950 --> 01:47:59,520
as a member of the pennsylvania bigfoot

3053
01:48:04,229 --> 01:48:00,960
but they don't want to come to

3054
01:48:05,990 --> 01:48:04,239
the ufo conference uh the paranormal

3055
01:48:08,070 --> 01:48:06,000
people i actually you know i tried

3056
01:48:09,109 --> 01:48:08,080
starting out with that before i joined

3057
01:48:11,430 --> 01:48:09,119
mufon

3058
01:48:13,030 --> 01:48:11,440
yeah you know so i stay open to all of

3059
01:48:14,790 --> 01:48:13,040
that mainly because i've had the

3060
01:48:16,390 --> 01:48:14,800
paranormal experiences and i

3061
01:48:18,070 --> 01:48:16,400
i have those speakers come to our

3062
01:48:18,470 --> 01:48:18,080
conferences but i wouldn't say that

3063
01:48:20,709 --> 01:48:18,480
we're

3064
01:48:22,070 --> 01:48:20,719
you know in close contact sharing

3065
01:48:25,430 --> 01:48:22,080
information

3066
01:48:27,990 --> 01:48:25,440
probably half of my investigators what i

3067
01:48:30,390 --> 01:48:28,000
started doing in pa was recruiting

3068
01:48:31,350 --> 01:48:30,400
people from the paranormal the ghost

3069
01:48:33,189 --> 01:48:31,360
hunting

3070
01:48:34,149 --> 01:48:33,199
not too many bigfoot people a couple of

3071
01:48:35,590 --> 01:48:34,159
them because they know how to

3072
01:48:36,550 --> 01:48:35,600
investigate you know and they're kind of

3073
01:48:38,149 --> 01:48:36,560
open-minded

3074
01:48:40,229 --> 01:48:38,159
and they've actually been very good

3075
01:48:41,350 --> 01:48:40,239
investigators for me so when we have

3076
01:48:43,109 --> 01:48:41,360
something like that

3077
01:48:44,229 --> 01:48:43,119
i'll turn it over to them and then they

3078
01:48:46,149 --> 01:48:44,239
pro they're the ones that are

3079
01:48:49,030 --> 01:48:46,159
communicating back to these other groups

3080
01:48:51,350 --> 01:48:49,040
it's not me are there any are there any

3081
01:48:54,149 --> 01:48:51,360
kind of patterns that are emerging

3082
01:48:55,109 --> 01:48:54,159
uh you know we we were having the uh

3083
01:48:58,310 --> 01:48:55,119
orange orbs

3084
01:49:00,629 --> 01:48:58,320
a lot of those uh recently back in 08 it

3085
01:49:02,310 --> 01:49:00,639
was the triangular craft

3086
01:49:05,510 --> 01:49:02,320
which you know now i kind of look at the

3087
01:49:07,510 --> 01:49:05,520
wave over 2008 that happened over pa

3088
01:49:09,109 --> 01:49:07,520
and i can't help but wonder if it wasn't

3089
01:49:11,350 --> 01:49:09,119
the tr-3b

3090
01:49:13,430 --> 01:49:11,360
that maybe it was a military craft the

3091
01:49:13,990 --> 01:49:13,440
triangular craft with the light on the

3092
01:49:16,870 --> 01:49:14,000
through each

3093
01:49:17,750 --> 01:49:16,880
end three lights that's sprinkled into

3094
01:49:19,189 --> 01:49:17,760
the tree

3095
01:49:20,950 --> 01:49:19,199
well i don't know what they white it

3096
01:49:23,830 --> 01:49:20,960
would be sprinkling uh

3097
01:49:24,149 --> 01:49:23,840
you know probes into a tree but it kind

3098
01:49:29,189 --> 01:49:24,159
of

3099
01:49:31,109 --> 01:49:29,199
it probes or waste

3100
01:49:32,950 --> 01:49:31,119
no no it was a it was like a probe they

3101
01:49:34,390 --> 01:49:32,960
were like these metallic sprinkles that

3102
01:49:35,910 --> 01:49:34,400
dropped into the tree

3103
01:49:37,910 --> 01:49:35,920
and they were glittering they were lit

3104
01:49:39,270 --> 01:49:37,920
up and then they kind of got pulled back

3105
01:49:41,350 --> 01:49:39,280
up into the craft like

3106
01:49:42,310 --> 01:49:41,360
with a magnet just sucked them right

3107
01:49:44,470 --> 01:49:42,320
back up no

3108
01:49:46,229 --> 01:49:44,480
we used to get we had test tubes of

3109
01:49:49,270 --> 01:49:46,239
stuff that was pretty similar to that

3110
01:49:49,910 --> 01:49:49,280
if i i remember on one side was slightly

3111
01:49:52,390 --> 01:49:49,920
pink

3112
01:49:53,270 --> 01:49:52,400
was it was that any uh of the substance

3113
01:49:55,589 --> 01:49:53,280
that you saw

3114
01:49:57,109 --> 01:49:55,599
did you see it the substance uh no i

3115
01:49:59,589 --> 01:49:57,119
didn't see anything on the leaves but

3116
01:50:01,830 --> 01:49:59,599
the leaves were starting this is july

3117
01:50:03,510 --> 01:50:01,840
may june july and the leaves were

3118
01:50:06,149 --> 01:50:03,520
turning brown and they were

3119
01:50:08,149 --> 01:50:06,159
lacerated like uh like a laser or

3120
01:50:09,750 --> 01:50:08,159
something had burned the leaves

3121
01:50:12,109 --> 01:50:09,760
so uh you know it was weird the leaves

3122
01:50:13,589 --> 01:50:12,119
were producing an enzyme called

3123
01:50:16,229 --> 01:50:13,599
anthrocyanine

3124
01:50:18,629 --> 01:50:16,239
which is a natural occurring enzyme when

3125
01:50:20,550 --> 01:50:18,639
it's subject to high heat or radiation

3126
01:50:22,470 --> 01:50:20,560
and it was only that tree i mean the

3127
01:50:23,589 --> 01:50:22,480
tree next to it didn't have that

3128
01:50:25,350 --> 01:50:23,599
the tree in the front of the house

3129
01:50:25,830 --> 01:50:25,360
didn't have it so why would the military

3130
01:50:27,910 --> 01:50:25,840
be

3131
01:50:28,870 --> 01:50:27,920
so low over i don't know you know that

3132
01:50:30,629 --> 01:50:28,880
that one didn't

3133
01:50:32,870 --> 01:50:30,639
that doesn't really fit the military but

3134
01:50:34,629 --> 01:50:32,880
the description of the triangular craft

3135
01:50:37,030 --> 01:50:34,639
which is the tr-3 bay

3136
01:50:38,070 --> 01:50:37,040
fit a lot of the sightings that we had

3137
01:50:39,669 --> 01:50:38,080
over that summer

3138
01:50:41,990 --> 01:50:39,679
but you know we just had a case in

3139
01:50:44,390 --> 01:50:42,000
delaware because i have delaware also

3140
01:50:45,109 --> 01:50:44,400
and uh it again it's these orbs up in

3141
01:50:47,350 --> 01:50:45,119
the sky

3142
01:50:49,030 --> 01:50:47,360
and people will say that they're chinese

3143
01:50:51,270 --> 01:50:49,040
lanterns but

3144
01:50:52,149 --> 01:50:51,280
there was like nine of them and they

3145
01:50:54,229 --> 01:50:52,159
filmed them

3146
01:50:55,669 --> 01:50:54,239
and then all of a sudden one at a time

3147
01:50:57,109 --> 01:50:55,679
they started taking off

3148
01:50:59,270 --> 01:50:57,119
you know and if they were chinese

3149
01:51:01,189 --> 01:50:59,280
lanterns they would move together

3150
01:51:03,109 --> 01:51:01,199
but eight of them leave one of them is

3151
01:51:04,310 --> 01:51:03,119
still hovering there and it doesn't seem

3152
01:51:07,510 --> 01:51:04,320
to be going anywhere

3153
01:51:09,589 --> 01:51:07,520
it ejects something on fire

3154
01:51:11,350 --> 01:51:09,599
and then it takes off it actually takes

3155
01:51:13,750 --> 01:51:11,360
off in the opposite direction

3156
01:51:14,470 --> 01:51:13,760
from the other eight but this burning

3157
01:51:16,709 --> 01:51:14,480
piece of

3158
01:51:17,910 --> 01:51:16,719
something comes down and this guy

3159
01:51:21,350 --> 01:51:17,920
recovers it so

3160
01:51:24,629 --> 01:51:21,360
he calls us and we get a portion of it

3161
01:51:27,750 --> 01:51:24,639
and it looks like insulation uh so

3162
01:51:29,430 --> 01:51:27,760
and and it's too big to be uh it's

3163
01:51:31,189 --> 01:51:29,440
definitely insulation but it couldn't be

3164
01:51:32,950 --> 01:51:31,199
from a chinese lantern because

3165
01:51:34,310 --> 01:51:32,960
you couldn't lift it it was too big of a

3166
01:51:37,030 --> 01:51:34,320
piece it was like

3167
01:51:37,589 --> 01:51:37,040
12 14 inches long and then two inches

3168
01:51:39,270 --> 01:51:37,599
thick

3169
01:51:42,149 --> 01:51:39,280
you couldn't lift that with a chinese

3170
01:51:45,270 --> 01:51:42,159
lantern so we take it we send a

3171
01:51:47,669 --> 01:51:45,280
piece of it to phyllis buttinger in ohio

3172
01:51:48,550 --> 01:51:47,679
frontier labs and she does the analysis

3173
01:51:50,790 --> 01:51:48,560
she says john

3174
01:51:53,350 --> 01:51:50,800
this is insulation but it's coated with

3175
01:51:56,390 --> 01:51:53,360
a chemical for waterproofing

3176
01:51:58,950 --> 01:51:56,400
and she said we just invented this type

3177
01:52:00,149 --> 01:51:58,960
of insulation about 18 months ago so she

3178
01:52:02,550 --> 01:52:00,159
says

3179
01:52:04,950 --> 01:52:02,560
she was surprised that you know if it

3180
01:52:06,790 --> 01:52:04,960
was used in a military craft

3181
01:52:08,390 --> 01:52:06,800
it would be kind of quick that you know

3182
01:52:09,830 --> 01:52:08,400
because it was just invented so

3183
01:52:11,910 --> 01:52:09,840
i don't know what we recovered it was

3184
01:52:13,109 --> 01:52:11,920
something from a ufo whether it was a

3185
01:52:16,470 --> 01:52:13,119
military uh

3186
01:52:16,709 --> 01:52:16,480
craft or a real ufo but we have a piece

3187
01:52:19,189 --> 01:52:16,719
of

3188
01:52:20,550 --> 01:52:19,199
a ufo that we analyzed and we're going

3189
01:52:20,870 --> 01:52:20,560
to actually talk about that at the

3190
01:52:23,910 --> 01:52:20,880
moment

3191
01:52:25,990 --> 01:52:23,920
why would they eject uh it was on fire

3192
01:52:27,510 --> 01:52:26,000
and uh what phyllis said is she she

3193
01:52:29,669 --> 01:52:27,520
believes it was used in an

3194
01:52:31,510 --> 01:52:29,679
energy storage area it must have caused

3195
01:52:33,910 --> 01:52:31,520
there must have been a fire in there

3196
01:52:35,510 --> 01:52:33,920
and it kind of like ejected it or they

3197
01:52:38,470 --> 01:52:35,520
threw it out of the craft

3198
01:52:39,109 --> 01:52:38,480
and and then they were able to you know

3199
01:52:41,750 --> 01:52:39,119
move on

3200
01:52:42,790 --> 01:52:41,760
on on their way but uh you know that was

3201
01:52:44,470 --> 01:52:42,800
her analysis

3202
01:52:46,629 --> 01:52:44,480
that there was a fire and it they

3203
01:52:48,310 --> 01:52:46,639
ejected out the uh insulation that was

3204
01:52:51,109 --> 01:52:48,320
on fire

3205
01:52:51,910 --> 01:52:51,119
also too one of the first cases uh maury

3206
01:52:53,910 --> 01:52:51,920
island

3207
01:52:55,669 --> 01:52:53,920
back in the washington state which was

3208
01:52:56,550 --> 01:52:55,679
even before kenneth arnold sighting by a

3209
01:52:59,750 --> 01:52:56,560
few days

3210
01:53:01,669 --> 01:52:59,760
involved uh substances like

3211
01:53:03,270 --> 01:53:01,679
molting uh metals that would drop from

3212
01:53:05,030 --> 01:53:03,280
the uh the sky that

3213
01:53:07,189 --> 01:53:05,040
damaged the boat and killed the dog of

3214
01:53:10,709 --> 01:53:07,199
the the owner in fact we have to have

3215
01:53:12,790 --> 01:53:10,719
ken thomas on some night to discuss that

3216
01:53:14,950 --> 01:53:12,800
and it ties in actually with the

3217
01:53:18,470 --> 01:53:14,960
assassination of jfk

3218
01:53:20,950 --> 01:53:18,480
anyway yes that's correct yeah

3219
01:53:22,070 --> 01:53:20,960
anyway we are winding down the the

3220
01:53:23,750 --> 01:53:22,080
evening here and uh

3221
01:53:25,830 --> 01:53:23,760
john uh give us a little bit of

3222
01:53:27,430 --> 01:53:25,840
information where listeners can get in

3223
01:53:29,430 --> 01:53:27,440
touch uh with you

3224
01:53:31,589 --> 01:53:29,440
uh tell us your books are they available

3225
01:53:32,149 --> 01:53:31,599
on amazon.com and what's your website

3226
01:53:35,109 --> 01:53:32,159
and

3227
01:53:37,270 --> 01:53:35,119
when is the new hangar one going to be

3228
01:53:40,390 --> 01:53:37,280
on and what's the first episode about

3229
01:53:41,910 --> 01:53:40,400
okay hangout one uh will air april 3rd

3230
01:53:43,830 --> 01:53:41,920
it was actually supposed to start

3231
01:53:46,390 --> 01:53:43,840
last night but then they postponed it to

3232
01:53:48,390 --> 01:53:46,400
april 3rd so season 2 is going to start

3233
01:53:51,510 --> 01:53:48,400
april 3rd i don't know the order

3234
01:53:52,709 --> 01:53:51,520
of the shows but there's 12 episodes

3235
01:53:55,109 --> 01:53:52,719
this year

3236
01:53:57,030 --> 01:53:55,119
and 18 members in the cast so there were

3237
01:53:58,070 --> 01:53:57,040
eight last year and nine and eight

3238
01:54:00,709 --> 01:53:58,080
episodes

3239
01:54:02,070 --> 01:54:00,719
so we have a bigger cast and four more

3240
01:54:04,310 --> 01:54:02,080
episodes uh

3241
01:54:05,990 --> 01:54:04,320
as far as myself goes all my books and

3242
01:54:08,990 --> 01:54:06,000
lectures and dvds

3243
01:54:10,669 --> 01:54:09,000
are on my website johnventury.com that's

3244
01:54:13,910 --> 01:54:10,679
v-e-n-t-r-e

3245
01:54:18,550 --> 01:54:13,920
johnventury.com and uh our conferences

3246
01:54:19,990 --> 01:54:18,560
are on our website mufonpa.com we do

3247
01:54:22,470 --> 01:54:20,000
three conferences

3248
01:54:25,030 --> 01:54:22,480
we have erie in may we have philly in

3249
01:54:26,709 --> 01:54:25,040
october and pittsburgh in november so

3250
01:54:28,149 --> 01:54:26,719
if you're anywhere on the east coast

3251
01:54:29,990 --> 01:54:28,159
northeast midwest

3252
01:54:31,510 --> 01:54:30,000
you know we get people flying in from

3253
01:54:34,709 --> 01:54:31,520
you know canada texas

3254
01:54:36,390 --> 01:54:34,719
florida well you put on you put on a

3255
01:54:40,629 --> 01:54:36,400
very good uh conference

3256
01:54:43,510 --> 01:54:40,639
and uh carla speaking of erie uh carlos

3257
01:54:44,870 --> 01:54:43,520
salon used to be notice i didn't say

3258
01:54:47,030 --> 01:54:44,880
saloon her salon

3259
01:54:49,030 --> 01:54:47,040
used to be on erie street but where are

3260
01:54:50,629 --> 01:54:49,040
you located now in case anybody wants to

3261
01:54:51,270 --> 01:54:50,639
go over and get clipped i mean get their

3262
01:54:56,149 --> 01:54:51,280
hair

3263
01:54:57,830 --> 01:54:56,159
that's why we say it's the cutting edge

3264
01:55:01,270 --> 01:54:57,840
of the paranormal yes i am

3265
01:55:04,390 --> 01:55:01,280
i am 353 second street

3266
01:55:08,629 --> 01:55:04,400
uh jersey city downtown new jersey

3267
01:55:10,629 --> 01:55:08,639
very good balance salon jc.com

3268
01:55:12,629 --> 01:55:10,639
yeah you're not too far from us if you

3269
01:55:13,109 --> 01:55:12,639
want to swing by in october and come to

3270
01:55:14,629 --> 01:55:13,119
the

3271
01:55:16,950 --> 01:55:14,639
philly conference we do it in bucks

3272
01:55:17,990 --> 01:55:16,960
county you can just go straight across

3273
01:55:20,790 --> 01:55:18,000
78 and

3274
01:55:21,750 --> 01:55:20,800
uh you'll make your way into us i have a

3275
01:55:24,070 --> 01:55:21,760
friend in melbourne

3276
01:55:24,870 --> 01:55:24,080
too yeah yeah you guys should come

3277
01:55:27,270 --> 01:55:24,880
you're not that far

3278
01:55:29,030 --> 01:55:27,280
absolutely absolutely well now now we're

3279
01:55:29,589 --> 01:55:29,040
back in the full gear maybe we can bring

3280
01:55:32,149 --> 01:55:29,599
down our

3281
01:55:32,950 --> 01:55:32,159
i also do a um you know a i have a

3282
01:55:36,149 --> 01:55:32,960
channel

3283
01:55:38,149 --> 01:55:36,159
on youtube it's mr ufos secret files

3284
01:55:39,430 --> 01:55:38,159
and we've got some very uh good

3285
01:55:41,589 --> 01:55:39,440
interviews up there i

3286
01:55:43,430 --> 01:55:41,599
take my camera with me and i i travel

3287
01:55:45,589 --> 01:55:43,440
around and uh

3288
01:55:46,470 --> 01:55:45,599
it's for fun and not necessarily for

3289
01:55:48,950 --> 01:55:46,480
profit

3290
01:55:49,910 --> 01:55:48,960
it's uh you know totally unedited and

3291
01:55:51,990 --> 01:55:49,920
unorganized

3292
01:55:53,589 --> 01:55:52,000
but there's some great stuff up there

3293
01:55:56,310 --> 01:55:53,599
anyway

3294
01:55:57,030 --> 01:55:56,320
anyone who wants to get in touch with me

3295
01:56:00,709 --> 01:55:57,040
my email

3296
01:56:03,750 --> 01:56:00,719
address is mr ufo mr ufo8

3297
01:56:06,550 --> 01:56:03,760
hotmail.com and if you want to

3298
01:56:07,030 --> 01:56:06,560
learn all about our exciting books we

3299
01:56:10,070 --> 01:56:07,040
have some

3300
01:56:10,550 --> 01:56:10,080
200 titles by many many authors in the

3301
01:56:13,510 --> 01:56:10,560
field

3302
01:56:15,109 --> 01:56:13,520
i suggest you just go to amazon.com and

3303
01:56:17,830 --> 01:56:15,119
type in timothy beckley

3304
01:56:18,950 --> 01:56:17,840
and all these great books will pop up in

3305
01:56:21,350 --> 01:56:18,960
front of your eye

3306
01:56:22,229 --> 01:56:21,360
and keep me motivated by ordering

3307
01:56:24,550 --> 01:56:22,239
something and

3308
01:56:26,310 --> 01:56:24,560
so we've rock and roll and i want to say

3309
01:56:30,310 --> 01:56:26,320
good night to our listeners out there

3310
01:56:33,109 --> 01:56:30,320
and see you next week same time

3311
01:56:33,990 --> 01:56:33,119
same host tell your friends go to the

3312
01:56:37,149 --> 01:56:34,000
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3313
01:56:38,310 --> 01:56:37,159
pass it along and remember we're